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Maybe I'm just used to dealing with contract language. When the contract says must, it's not just an emphasis or strong endorsement - it's a requirement. Failure to comply would be a breach of contract.
iPad Pro Not upgrading to iPad Pro 9.7" from Air 2.
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d5aqoëp
macrumors 68000
But neither anyone here at macrumors forums has signed any contract nor this is any formal contract language. I am sure you already know that. This is totally informal forum.
You also know that the other member quoted me sarcastically and when I called him out on his cocky style, he started going into technicalities.
We are here to have some fun light discussion but not at the expense of passing sarcastic comments on one another.
You also know that the other member quoted me sarcastically and when I called him out on his cocky style, he started going into technicalities.
We are here to have some fun light discussion but not at the expense of passing sarcastic comments on one another.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
I have the bigger iPad Pro and Air2, and in my experience the iPP performs better than Air2. It runs smoother, more stable, and keeps more Safari tabs open longer.
d5aqoëp
macrumors 68000
I did not feel any noticeable difference in performance between both. They both stuttered in exact same places. May be the GPU is powerful enough to handle all iOS translucency effect since Air 2.
Another possibility is that 12" Pro is not yet fully optimised on iOS.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
Can't say I ever noticed any stuttering on either my Air2 or iPP. What were you doing when this happened? And does it happen often?
d5aqoëp
macrumors 68000
Cellular data menu. The list there does not have smooth scrolling. There are few other places they both stutter like in App store. UI performance is same everywhere. Just that 12" Pro does not reload tabs and apps that easily but Air 2 does due to low RAM.
The geekbench score gap may be higher but actual performance during day to day use is exactly same.
aevan
macrumors 601
Probably due to some unoptimized code, not due to performance. Look, the Air 2 is a fast tablet, but there is a difference in performance. You won't see it in games or while scrolling menus in settings. You'll see it in serious apps like Procreate which can use larger resolutions and more layers on the Pro, and large/smudge brushes work with less lag.
I think you're stretching it a bit by claiming that the performance is the same. It's not.
My 12.9 pro does not stutter....can open large CAD files rotate in 3D without having to rerender like on the air2....so no the larger iPad does not behave the same as the air 2. It is a huge improvement over the air2, in that regard.
Tech changes quickly...new tech is always around the corner...no need to plan obsolescence, it will just happen. If your air2 is still working great for you, then you are wise to keep it an not upgrade. If you want/need the new features then upgrade. Simple. If it out performs older iPads, that is progress. If it doesn't then why bother putting out a new product, it would make no sense from a business standpoint to retool for no added sales.
macintologist
macrumors 6502a
When people say the new iPad launches the Music app instantly whereas the Air 2 does it in 2-3 seconds: didn't the original iPad launch the music app in iOS4 almost instantly? Sometimes I think the progression and increasing complexity of software is a giant scam.
ahostmadsen
macrumors 65816
I agree. However, I'm still upgrading, but only for the Pencil -- and to some extend the keyboard. Those are worth it. I'm giving my Air 2 to another family member as replacement for an iPad 2.
jamesrick80
macrumors 68030
I agree. iOS definitely stutters on both devices if you are watching Hulu and then decide to go into another app. You can see transition lag. It has to be an iOS issue and iOS is not using the pros capabilities.
moosington
macrumors member
What's the point of this post? There are more features to it than raw power. For a long time, Apple hasn't been about specs, they've been about experience. That's why it has TrueTone, the Pencil support, better speakers and less reflective glass. All around it gives people a better experience. If that's worth the upgrade, go for it. If not, don't.
Everyone likes to complain about "planned obsolescence" (not a real thing considering Apple resells old devices and has a stake in keeping them running well) but then everyone complains when the my DON'T make their last gen device useless. Chill the F out. Buy it or don't. It's a cool tablet either way, and so is your current iPad.
Everyone likes to complain about "planned obsolescence" (not a real thing considering Apple resells old devices and has a stake in keeping them running well) but then everyone complains when the my DON'T make their last gen device useless. Chill the F out. Buy it or don't. It's a cool tablet either way, and so is your current iPad.
Or if you have no iPad.. But I agree, I'd be thinking hard about not upgrading if I already got an Air 2, but then, that's why I and others held out for the latest model.
Performance wise I can't comment on the iPad Air 2 vs. iPad Pro 9.7" because I haven't used the former in real world use enough, if at all, however I would be extremely surprised if "performance wise, it behaves and stutters exactly like Air 2 at the exact same places". Can you give actual examples of that? The benchmarks are what I've reviewed, and performance wise, the iPad Pro 9.7" is clearly superior with a faster chip, x2 generations removed from it.
However a lot is made of the RAM being only 2GB. Sure, 3 or even 4GB would be nice, or even preferable, to keep the RAM fans appeased, "hey, it's got 4GB RAM, check out my package".. but Apple is being Apple here. They have done what they do, and developed a chip to work with their OS in an optimal way. For them, it doesn't 'need' the extra RAM to run the OS, and run things smoothly. I've used my pro in split screen, played intensive games on it like Assassin's Creed, and it's great so far. The benchmarks sort of support this as they're comfortably close to the iPad Pro 12.9" which they obviously deem 'needs' the RAM boost owing to all the extra pixels being push on the larger screen size.
If the situation changed where the OS changed significantly to 'need' more RAM then this is the point people would have cause to bemoan lack of 4GB RAM in an iPad Pro 9.7" in my opinion.
Same here!TBH I am still utterly enamoured with my Air 2 hence waiting impatiently for the next Pro 9.7" iteration.....I know it's an eternity
Plus I find the 64GB version of the Air 2 just about perfect for my use. With the 9.7 inch pro, 32GB is not enough (for me) and 128GB is overkill (for my use). The only scenario I can envision where I might upgrade is if the 128GB 9.7 Pro went on sale for $150 off (i.e. Thanksgiving sale perhaps)....similar to the deal I got on my 64GB Air 2 ($449 at Staples last Fall). Then I could sell the Air 2 and upgrade for a nominal expense.
Channan
macrumors 68030
We don't need an OS X tablet. iOS just needs a few features that Apple refuses to add, and that will continue to hold the iPad back from replacing a lot of people's laptops.
azentropy
macrumors 601
I'm in the same boat. With the price increase and the removal of the 64gb option the iPad Pro 9.7 is $150 more than the iPad Air 2 I bought 18 months ago for the configuration I need.
After using the iPad Pro 9.7" yesterday in the store, nothing about it really wowed me for how I use my iPads. I have no use for the smart keyboard or the pencil. I don't listen/watch enough music/video out loud to appreciate the upgraded speakers. The screen didn't stand out as a huge improvement. I couldn't really feel any speed improvement and I never have found the Air 2 to be slow anyway, except when it is low on memory in Safari which is something they didn't improve.
That said if they heavily discount in May/June I might upgrade anyway and give my iPad Air 2 to my graduating nephew as a present (replacing the iPad 2 I gave him graduating middle school).
maratus
macrumors 6502a
We? I wouldn't speak for everyone if I were you.
There're obvious advantages a full-blown OS X can provide. I wonder which features do you want from iOS, that lack in Android and at the same time won't make it almost OS X in functionality sans legacy OS X applications support.
tarasis
macrumors 6502a
I'm on an Air 2 at the moment and strongly looking to upgrade to the 9.7" Pro, partly for the new Hw (screen/speakers), but also so I can move my kids off the iPad 4 and iPad 2 they use (older kids uses the 4, younger the 2) as the older iPads are dreadful speed wise with iOS 9 on them.
Channan
macrumors 68030
Well you're not me and I'm not speaking for everyone. But giving an OS designed for mouse input touch support just doesn't work out right. Look how long Microsoft has been struggling with that and they're still trying to figure it out. People complained about Windows 8 for mouse input and now they're complaining about Windows 10 for touch input.
The answer is not an OS X tablet. It's an iOS tablet with more features. Apple is just being too stubborn to add them because they want people to continue buying laptops and iPads and they want their 30% from the App Store.
Exactly.
iPad Air 2 was so far ahead of its time like the iPad 2. It should easily last the "average not macromors customer" 4 years.
A Bluetooth mouse works well on my Android devices, including Office 365 apps, so it's not an insurmountable problem.
Breitling65
macrumors 6502
Just tried it in apple store and I agree, not worse to upgrade from my perfect air2. I litterally see no difference in anything I tried. They offer me $225 for mine but I said buy-buy ... Worse ipad release ever and I own all model since first.