not your usual windows vs. osx

dorqiekat

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I'm trying to convince my brother to buy a macbook instead of IBM. It is a hard argument, he is a heavy pro-windows and for some reason has become an IBM fan. However, because he has money limits getting the dream IBM is difficult. But we all know for the price of a crappy IBM, a great macbook is waiting for him. He knows everything about Apple as he fiddles around with my powerbook.

I don't think this is a windows vs OSX argument thought it may look like one.

He likes the way windows look- mainly windows classic. He believes that OSX looks like a toy. Girly. Bubbly. (Which is why he doesn't like XP either). He has challenged that if the macbook's OSX could change, he'd get the macbook.

Is there anything such as this? Is there a way to degrade OSX enough to look like classic windows?
 

wmmk

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dorqiekat said:
I'm trying to convince my brother to buy a macbook instead of IBM. It is a hard argument, he is a heavy pro-windows and for some reason has become an IBM fan. However, because he has money limits getting the dream IBM is difficult. But we all know for the price of a crappy IBM, a great macbook is waiting for him. He knows everything about Apple as he fiddles around with my powerbook.

I don't think this is a windows vs OSX argument thought it may look like one.

He likes the way windows look- mainly windows classic. He believes that OSX looks like a toy. Girly. Bubbly. (Which is why he doesn't like XP either). He has challenged that if the macbook's OSX could change, he'd get the macbook.

Is there anything such as this? Is there a way to degrade OSX enough to look like classic windows?
don't know about classic windows, but what about classic mac?
 

dorqiekat

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wmmk said:
don't know about classic windows, but what about classic mac?
I've never used class mac... Does it have a dock? I think the dock annoys him the most.

Or, is there a way you can get rid of the dock on OSX?

edit: Oh, and as weird as it may sound somehow roking the menu bar like a start button...
 

iMeowbot

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dorqiekat said:
Is there anything such as this? Is there a way to degrade OSX enough to look like classic windows?
Your brother might like the ShapeShifter NeXT theme. It's not really a Windows theme, but it does a good job providing that blocky, utilitarian look.
 

dorqiekat

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iMeowbot said:
Your brother might like the ShapeShifter NeXT theme. It's not really a Windows theme, but it does a good job providing that blocky, utilitarian look.
That could actually work. Great idea.

What about the dock? Can you tell OSX not to have a dock? Or somehow remove everything on it so that it wouldn't work...
 

FFTT

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This is a tough one for sure.

Wait wait, got it!!!

Upper left menu under Blue Apple

Scroll to Dock
Turn hiding On ;)

The Dock icons are a cleaner set of shortcuts, that's all.

I hate the Dock Shadow around the icons, so I use Unsanity Clear Dock.
That way my Dock icons just float there and I can change the application running arrows to any color that I prefer to show up against my desktop background.
 

After G

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Tell him IBM is dead and has changed to Lenovo.

But seriously, he could get a Macbook/MBP and run Windows on it for all the rest of the world cares. There is NO reason for him not to get one.

Someday, he'll realize Vista is never coming and move to Mac OS X from the old, dead Windows XP :D

(hopefully sooner rather than later).

Maybe you could try UNO for the unified look. Maybe use graphite instead of aqua, so there's no stopsign colors.

P.S. Since OS X can change (shapeshifter), he already has to get a Mac by default. OS X for the win! :D
 

dorqiekat

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FFTT said:
This is a tough one for sure.

Wait wait, got it!!!

Upper left menu under Blue Apple

Scroll to Dock
Turn hiding On ;)

The Dock icons are a cleaner set of shortcuts, that's all.

I hate the Dock Shadow around the icons, so I use Unsanity Clear Dock.
That way my Dock icons just float there and i can change the application running arrows to any color that I prefer to show up against my desktop background.
Yeah I use a similar program and it doesn't impress him much. I really really want him to get a macbook. I can't believe the isight, remote control, and all the other cool stuff Apple as to offer does nothing for him. Such shame.

Out of all the programs that would implement the themes to the OS, which would you guys suggest? I think I've heard a few good things about candybar and shapeshifter...
 

dorqiekat

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After G said:
Tell him IBM is dead and has changed to Lenovo.

But seriously, he could get a Macbook/MBP and run Windows on it for all the rest of the world cares. There is NO reason for him not to get one.
He knows about Lenovo... I just call it IBM.

I didn't know that the macbooks could run windows. I thought that was just for the macbook pros.
 

Lollypop

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dorqiekat said:
I'm trying to convince my brother to buy a macbook instead of IBM. It is a hard argument, he is a heavy pro-windows and for some reason has become an IBM fan. However, because he has money limits getting the dream IBM is difficult. But we all know for the price of a crappy IBM, a great macbook is waiting for him. He knows everything about Apple as he fiddles around with my powerbook.

I don't think this is a windows vs OSX argument thought it may look like one.

He likes the way windows look- mainly windows classic. He believes that OSX looks like a toy. Girly. Bubbly. (Which is why he doesn't like XP either). He has challenged that if the macbook's OSX could change, he'd get the macbook.

Is there anything such as this? Is there a way to degrade OSX enough to look like classic windows?

Sometimes people's resistance to change just shocks me! At some point people have to start using the fluff.

You can switch so much the OS X fluff girly stuff off, the genie effect, the dock... I believe that you can even go for a more grey theme as well... without needing any 3rd party software.
 

FFTT

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A whole lot of so called IT Pros haven't the slightest clue about
running dual platforms, especially on the same machine.

Many aren't even sure if they can allow your Mac to access their
precious servers.

It might help your situation to know exactly what applications your brother considers essentials to his work.

I get the impression that he has only dabbled a bit in OSX and does not understand how much he could improve his workflow
once he better understands the capabilties and versatility
of dual platforms.
 

ChickenSwartz

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dorqiekat said:
Is there anything such as this? Is there a way to degrade OSX enough to look like classic windows?
If you are looking for no frills, cut and dry, simple interface, I would suggest looking at some of the Linux distributions. Some are very, very simple.

An any case Parallels let you run Windows XP or 98 or Linux on your Mac.
 

mini.boss

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1) Whats wrong with IBM/Lenovo machines? Theyre definitely top notch systems

2) Whats with people who think that the whole world should turn mac? Macs are great but they're not for everyone. And they especially aren't for people who DONT want to switch so just lay off and let him get what hes comfortable with.

Condescending mac owners think theyre helping apple by trying to sell macs by slamming the competition. People need to realize that this attitude just creates more mac haters than mac users. If someone wants to switch then help them out, but if they dont then leave them alone. PC's in the hands of intelligent people can be just as stable as macs.
 

dorqiekat

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IBM laptops are really very good machines. If he likes Windows, what's the problem?
He has a limit in how much money he can spend, and he can't get everything he wants in the IBM. But for less he can get all he wants on a macbook. I think it would be better for him on the long run not needing to deal with spyware and having the desire to upgrade because he couldn't afford everything. But in the same breath, he could easily regret the macbook because he couldn't afford the IBM. I don't know....
 

weg

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dorqiekat said:
I'm trying to convince my brother to buy a macbook instead of IBM. It is a hard argument, he is a heavy pro-windows and for some reason has become an IBM fan. However, because he has money limits getting the dream IBM is difficult. But we all know for the price of a crappy IBM, a great macbook is waiting for him. He knows everything about Apple as he fiddles around with my powerbook.
If he WANTS an IBM/Lenovo, let him have one. It's him who has to be happy with the thing, don't convince him to buy a MacBook just because you want one..
The Lenovos are wonderful laptops, they aren't worse than the Macs with respect to quality (rather the other way around). The T-series (e.g. T60) isn't significantly more expensive than a MacBook, and he even has the option to get a Tablet PC.

EDIT:
Lenovo T60, Core Duo 1.83GHz, 512MB RAM, 100GB HD, DVD Writer, 14", Windows XP Home -> $1179
MacBook, 60GB HD, DVD Combo, 13" -> $1099

Both offers available at the corresponding web-sites of Apple and Lenovo. Why exactly can't he get "everything he wants" in the IBM? Well, of course if he wants a 60GB Drive and a DVD Combo instead of 100GB and a DVD Dual Layer Writer he can go without the free upgrades that Lenovo currently offers (he'll pay the same price, though).
 

dorqiekat

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weg said:
EDIT:
Lenovo T60, Core Duo 1.83GHz, 512MB RAM, 100GB HD, DVD Writer, 14", Windows XP Home -> $1179
MacBook, 60GB HD, DVD Combo, 13" -> $1099

Both offers available at the corresponding web-sites of Apple and Lenovo. Why exactly can't he get "everything he wants" in the IBM? Well, of course if he wants a 60GB Drive and a DVD Combo instead of 100GB and a DVD Dual Layer Writer he can go without the free upgrades that Lenovo currently offers (he'll pay the same price, though).
I can see that you've already missed my point.

He wants to get a ThinkPad Z61t, core due 2.0GHz, 1G ram, around 60 GB HD, DVD writer ->$1,514

So, since he can't get the IBM with what he wants like you've already compared, he would have to get the base model. Which would mean he can't get what he wants on a IBM.

meanwhile he can get the 2.0 white macbook with 512 ram, 60 gb hd, superdriven for $1199. (He is a student)

............. so what is YOUR point?

edit: Oh, and a free ipod to boot.
 

Demoman

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I have a very nice IBM Portable I would be glad to make him a deal with:

IBM Portable:

386/20 Mhtz 8K L2 Cache (not the slow SX model)
4 MBytes of RAM
60 Mbyte ESDI Hard Drive
12" LCD Screen with 1 color (red)
DOS 4.0 w/LIM support
Windows 3.1
Micro Channel 32 bit bus
9600 Baud Modem

Yessir, this baby is top of the line IBM technology, although slightly dated. But, it has that nice 'classic' feel.
 

dorqiekat

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He is not considering it. Now that the macbook is in his head I'm going to step down and let him make his own decision.
 

tarjan

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I am typing this from a lenovo t43 with 1gb ram.

I have firefox, antivirus, peerguardian and google desktop running along with the standard lenovo drivers and utilities and I am just over 500mb of ram used. Firefox is at 29mb after a restart (was at 600+).

While I really love the t43, lenovo has thrown the drivers and utilities to the crapper. They are all extremely bloated and annoying, with a horrible update program/process that doesn't alway find the latest updates.

That being said, you can order an ibm with a high res screen...