Other Now under-screen fingerprint readers exist, will Apple ever use one?

[martin2345uk]

The technology seems better developed than I had previously thought, but do you think Apple will ever release a new phone with it in?

Personally, I don't think they will, I think they will just go on refining Face ID, as I don't think it's very Apple to go back to something they previously removed.

What do you guys reckon?

 

[44267547]

The technology seems better developed than I had previously thought, but do you think Apple will ever release a new phone with it in?

Personally, I don't think they will, I think they will just go on refining Face ID, as I don't think it's very Apple to go back to something they previously removed.

What do you guys reckon?

No. I don’t see Apple utilizing Touch ID under the display. They will refine and continually improve Face ID. They made that very clear that Face ID is their future, and the iPhone is just the start of what’s to come, aside from the iPad likely be next.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

About the same odds as them bringing the headphone jack back...

 

[44267547]

The technology seems better developed than I had previously thought,

In a sense, not really. Samsung has been rumored to abandon the fingerprint scanner under the display for the Note 9 due to complications and difficulty with the OLED display and other considerations.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/18...re-under-display-fingerprint-recognition/amp/

 

[akash.nu]

It’s not just about the technology being available. For any tech to be available in consumer tech it needs to be able to be produced in mass.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Apple has carved their technological path, and TouchID is not going to be a part of it for their flagship phones moving forward. TouchID diehards (like the phone jack clan) need to let go and move forward with Apple, or make other arrangements.

 

[Charadis]

After watching Zach’s review and tear down, while the concept is nice, the implementation is not without compromise.

It looked like the glass was so thin, and it broke pretty easily when he tried scratching it to test if the reader could still read through scratches. I would not trust trading off durability
[doublepost=1521318405][/doublepost]Plus, where are you going to put the metal ring for Apple Pay?

 

[s15119]

No going back. Face ID in most new Apple Phones.

 

[Shirasaki]

Unless Face ID “just works”, like good old headphone jack (plug in, sound out, unplug, sound gone, simple), Apple must continue refine it and make it better. I can see why Face ID is good but right now it is not good enough. Meanwhile, Touch ID could be considered as a backup, but under the screen, I don’t think this would be the case. Maybe we could see it in security industry rather than consumer products.

 

[goobot]

I think if consumers complain enough about wanting both we will get it. Apple says lots of things but when the situation changes Apple does too. They removed a bunch of ports in the 2008 redesign of the MacBook Pro yet brought them back in the next update. They said they would never make a large phone and yet they did. When it comes down to it you can't compare things like the headphone jack to this because in Apple's mind everyone will soon be using bluetooth so it doesn't matter. When it comes to Face ID there are obvious flaws, some of which can't be fixed such as indirect usage or your face being partially obstructed. If Apple truly cares about security and ease of use they would incorporate both.

 

[m0sher]

Those who are still thinking finger print sensor must not have an X, Or they’d know why it’s not coming back.

 

[nfl46]

I highly doubt it! FaceID is the future until something else comes along. Apple supposedly found a way to hide FaceID so we won’t have the notch in next year iPhone. We shall see, though.

 

[bushman4]

Apple has decided to use Face ID as it will be needed in AR. Whether they go to underscreen Touch ID is questionable. Looks as though they’ve already decided and picked

 

[Skika]

Face ID is just better and it will keep getting even better. No reason to use this

 

[44267547]

Face ID is just better and it will keep getting even better. No reason to use this

Face ID is still in its infancy currently, and many on Macrumors want to give up on this new technology, when we have not given Face ID a fair opportunity even be on the market a year yet. I think the more time Face ID has a chance for acceptance over the course of the next year so, it has a strong future to change others minds and its potential.

 

[Mascots]

These under display fingerprint scanners are slow and not as capable as original TouchID, let alone the second generation, since they're easily spoofed by 2D imagery due to the fallback on optical imaging to look through the display rather than using current to build a map and imaging that.

There is a reason we haven't seen such a thing appear in even Samsung phones yet: what's been shown to the the market is nothing short of regression.

 

[44267547]

These under display fingerprint scanners are slow and not as capable as original TouchID, let alone the second generation, since they're easily spoofed by 2D imagery due to the fallback on optical imaging to look through the display rather than using current to build a map and imaging that.

There is a reason we haven't seen such a thing appear in even Samsung phones yet: what's been shown to the the market is nothing short of regression.

Excellent points. And sometimes I think that consumers want to believe that touch ID under the display is easily the next best thing, but they wouldn’t know that because no one has experienced with it to know it’s short falls with unreleased technology, which has been rumored to be rather difficult for Samsung as well. Just because touch ID under the display sounds useful, it doesn’t necessarily make it practical either if it were to be problematic when Unlocking devices.

 

[The Game 161]

No and I don’t think it’s some thing android will put a huge focus on due to high cost and supply issues.

 

[44267547]

No and I don’t think it’s some thing android will put a huge focus on due to high cost and supply issues.

Aside from supply issues, it seemingly appears to be more development issues. I think the technology is possible, but it’s not coming without it’s problematic concerns either. There is no sense in releasing this technology with the fingerprint reader under the display if it won’t work efficiently. Samsung allegedly had or is having issues with the Note 9 fingerprint under the display, which should be interesting to see what they have to offer with the Note 9.

 

[Raist3001]

The technology seems better developed than I had previously thought, but do you think Apple will ever release a new phone with it in?

No, apple will not regress to touchID. FaceID is the future. The under display TouchID you reference is in its total infancy and no one knows the durability of such tech. Apple's TouchID Gen2 was so improved and so fast and most importantly, reliable. For me, all this new TouchID tech has a high bar set by apple to shoot for. However, since apple has abandoned TouchID, most companies will follow and begin implementing some form of FaceID.

 

[DNichter]

I don't see the point. By the time you look at the screen to identify where to put your finger, Face ID would already be unlocked. Also, just because the technology exists, doesn't mean it can be produced at a scale the size of Apple's. This company may be able to do it on the few hundred phones they sell, but when it gets to hundreds of millions, it's a lot more difficult to do.

 

[ftaok]

Simplistically, the answer would be 'no'. Apple has simply invested too much into FaceID to go back to any version of TouchID.

However, for the sake of discussion, if Apple were to abandon FaceID, under-screen TouchID wouldn't be the answer unless ...

1. it's as good or better than the current 2G TouchID. This means it has to be as accurate and as fast as the iPhone8 TouchID.
2. it can work without removing other features like 3DTouch and haptics.
3. the hardware is small enough so that the iPhone can remain as thin as it is now (or thinner).
4. most importantly, the hardware needs to be manufactured at a scale that can initially support 50 to 75 million units in the first year. Then it needs to scalable to 250+ million per year.
5. bonus - it has to be cost neutral (or not that much more) or better than current tech. Or at least they would have to demonstrate the ability to get the unit costs down over time.

 

[Brandonjr36]

Those who are still thinking finger print sensor must not have an X, Or they’d know why it’s not coming back.

I own an x, and I miss Touch ID. Face ID is ok. But Touch ID just worked didn’t matter if my phone was slightly slanted. Where Face ID doesn’t even work when my phone is turned even a little bit. I’m honestly not a fan of Face ID. I atleast think Apple should have both on 1 phone. Never an issue to have 2 forms of security.
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Simplistically, the answer would be 'no'. Apple has simply invested too much into FaceID to go back to any version of TouchID.

However, for the sake of discussion, if Apple were to abandon FaceID, under-screen TouchID wouldn't be the answer unless ...

1. it's as good or better than the current 2G TouchID. This means it has to be as accurate and as fast as the iPhone8 TouchID.
2. it can work without removing other features like 3DTouch and haptics.
3. the hardware is small enough so that the iPhone can remain as thin as it is now (or thinner).
4. most importantly, the hardware needs to be manufactured at a scale that can initially support 50 to 75 million units in the first year. Then it needs to scalable to 250+ million per year.
5. bonus - it has to be cost neutral (or not that much more) or better than current tech. Or at least they would have to demonstrate the ability to get the unit costs down over time.

There’s no way it’s better or as good as 2g Touch ID. Maybe 1g but not 2g. Touch ID works even if the phone is slightly turned to the side and can even unlock the phone as your pulling it out of your pocket Face ID not so much. And before you say I’m dogging the x cause I don’t have one. I do have one.
[doublepost=1521510450][/doublepost]OP I wish they would release something like this for the next iPhone I would trade or sell my current X in a minute and buy one.

 

[44267547]

Simplistically, the answer would be 'no'. Apple has simply invested too much into FaceID to go back to any version of TouchID.

Furthermore, it’s not like Apple didn’t consider a fingerprint reader under the display, because they did experiment with that according to Craig Federighi. But more importantly, Face ID was always Apples goal and it was never the fingerprint reader to be their primary source. The fingerprint reader was Plan B, where as Face ID was plan A. So I believe Apple me that definitively clear that they don’t care for the fingerprint technology under the display and moved away from that option.

 

[DNichter]

Face ID will only get better. I am hoping for more extreme angles and landscape support. They aren't going back to physical input, it's a step backwards.