Nuclear fusion site gets greenlight

[barneygumble]

If that's your view than you should stop breathing ... drinking beer ... holding your breath ... driving ... don't even think about approaching a city ... and turn off your TV.

I guess you really don't use your brain cells that much with a well educated comment like that. Sure ... i can't do brain surgery stoned; but then again im not a brain surgeon. Do i want my brain surgeon smoking pot? Sure, if he's the type of person that gains concentration from it. The amount brain cells you lose with each hit are easily regenerated (you need to actually use them in the first place though) and the amount of mental freedom you gain more than compensates.

Now alcohol consumption ... now there's a real brain cell killer. "Hey everybody let's ingest poison and do things that we'll regret tomorrow (if we're lucky enough to remember)". Has alcohol ever opened you mind to new ways of thinking? Hey it's legal ya' know.

... and anyways, who said anything about smoking it? I thought this thread was about future energies and that Fusion seems to be the new savior for our greed consumer needs ...

Fusion is only being granted because the people are too lazy to change, 'someone else' is doing all the hard work and a bunch of nuclear engineers want to keep the funding flowing.

If people would stop thinking about hurrying home to catch that newest TV show, going shopping to get the latest product, or keeping themselves busy so they 'won't have to think about it' we'd be well on our way to a more organic and healthier way of life.

Would you rather open your third eye through natural plants or through nuclear radiation? The sun (of god ... if you wish) gives us life everyday; why try to recreate and contain that here on eath when we have more than enough to last us forever if we use it correctly.

With every generation we get closer and closer to having to deal with past generations errors of greed. Why make it any worse than it already is? Don't we already have enough **** already??? *Take a look at your local dump sometime.


Humans need to stop being stupid and start living their lives like they want be here ... but if your ready to go; by all means.

mikeyredk- thanks for the link.

*i think i've scared off the original poster ... sorry, it's just that i take our lives seriously; maybe i need to lighten up.


peace | neut

It is such a pity, sarcasm is a lost art even when you put rollseyes next to it, what i said was accurate was it not

 

[neut]

No, but burning anything releases hydrocarbons and other not-so nice things into the air.

That's what plants are for. They are natural recyclers of the air.

'Burning' or heating up and capturing and distributing the resulting released energy is the only way we've managed to capture energy. The sun burns every single day. Solar power, wind, and natural fuels (plant) are an immediate way to solve our energy needs. But above all conservation is needed. All this **** we produce is more harmful than the energies running it.

How many plastic diapers will it take for us to change???

The point is not acquiring a new energy source ... it's finding one that will let us continue to live long and healthy lives. nuclear fusion of any kind will not change our ways; it will just produce more and more ****.

Does that not make any sense to any of you?

I swear humans would recreate the universe if they could just because we can't stop ourselves for making MORE.

MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE


Have fun killing yourselves; Tesla must be weeping.


peace | neut

 

[neut]

It is such a pity, sarcasm is a lost art even when you put rollseyes next to it, what i said was accurate was it not

Here's your free jackoff for the day ... yes, you are correct sir! Pot kills brain cells when smoked ... so does smoking anything.

Here's a big news flash: This is a statement. <--- look it's true! someone hurry and jack me off!

Thanks for your wonderful contribution to this fusion energy thread. Im playing devils advocate and you're playing jerk-off.


peace | neut

 

[Nuc]

the problem with fusion

One of the limiting factors in nuclear fusion is materials. Every time a fusion event occurs the materials (containment.. etc) are essentially destroyed or effectively reduced... Until more advanced materials are made I don't see fusion as very cost effective. As stated previously the fusion reaction is not sustainable for long periods of time therefore until this is achieved, fission is the way to go at this time. Beside oil companies would fight this to the end, those bastards!!! If I remember correctly a fusion event produces ~ 3 times the amount of energy than a fission event so not to shabby.

Hopefully the US will release some of their classified materials

Nuc

 

[After G]

I'm with the hemp guys on this one, because of the fact that natural solutions to problems just seem intuitively more friendly to the environment than the emission of greenhouse gases and the leaking of radiation.

I'm not saying that sources of energy like oil and nuclear power are inherently bad; it's just that I do not want to bear the cost if someone messes up along the line. Ecological disasters like Chernobyl and Exxon Valdez are horrible, and I haven't heard of hemp causing any widespread environmental damage.

 

[Lacero]

The Hydrogen promise is all a bunch of hot air. Sure hydrogen burns clean, but to produce the hydrogen in the first place, requires enormous amounts of processing energy. So we are all back to square one.

 

[cube]

Pot doesn't meltdown or blow anything up either ...

Neither does a fusion reactor.

 

[MongoTheGeek]

Neither does a fusion reactor.

It just means it hasn't happened yet. Something tells me if a Tokomak has containment issues the result won't be pretty. Additionally those things kick out some serious neutrons. I don't know if they have looked into the long term issues with the hardware and neutron damage or secondary radiation effects.

 

[cube]

It just means it hasn't happened yet. Something tells me if a Tokomak has containment issues the result won't be pretty. Additionally those things kick out some serious neutrons. I don't know if they have looked into the long term issues with the hardware and neutron damage or secondary radiation effects.

A fusion reactor cannot explode or meltdown by its principle of operation. Leaks are a different story (and when plants go into production maybe it won't be using tritium, although DD fusion does produce some).

 

[MongoTheGeek]

A fusion reactor cannot explode or meltdown by its principle of operation. Leaks are a different story (and when plants go into production maybe it won't be using tritium, although DD fusion does produce some).

I know when operating as designed if the containment fails in the current fusion designs the plasma explodes for a lack of a better term into the vacuum of the machine and that the volume of empty space is enough to contain the plasma which cools rapidly. My big concern is if the containment is tightened to far to fast (power spike) That all of the fuel will go at once.

My point is not that they are inherently dangerous, or even that I would mind living next to one. My point is that they are not all moonbeams and rose petals.

 

[neut]

A fusion reactor cannot explode or meltdown by its principle of operation. Leaks are a different story (and when plants go into production maybe it won't be using tritium, although DD fusion does produce some).

The concern with fusion is that a failure is very probable and that any failure will not be a good one. When one fails at growing hemp (corn, or any natural plant with extractable oils and excellent re-growth) ... you don't usually end up with a catastrophe. The only thin marijuana leaks is OXYGEN.


peace | neut

 

[mikeyredk]

Do I dare say it…

Dr octavian
spiderman 2

 

[neut]

Do I dare say it…

Dr octavian
spiderman 2

(Science) Fiction has historically been a self-fulfilling prophecy. Ever read Fahrenheit 451? We're living with the technology that was in that book ... it was written in 1953. I wonder if the book spawned the ideas or if they would have occured without it (Video chat, video walls, security cameras on street corners, robotic dogs , etc.)


peace | neut

 

[Counterfit]

That's what plants are for. They are natural recyclers of the air.

Last time I checked, soot and carbon monoxide were not involved in photosynthesis...

 

[neut]

Last time I checked, soot and carbon monoxide were not involved in photosynthesis...

That's true. Hemp is more suited for use in fuel than the bio-mass burning, but it sure would smell good.

Most carbon monoxide emissions are from vehicles:
http://www.epa.gov/air/urbanair/co/what1.html

If we change fuels (http://www.artistictreasure.com/learnmorecleanair.html), in conjunction with boosting support for alternative energy sources (solar wind, etc.), be conservative in our everyday usage, and design powered machines to perform more efficiently (oh, and get rid of capitalism ... we'll talk about that another day) we'll more than make up for the negatives of using organic materials for our everyday energy needs.

It only natural that we would do so. ... or so i would think.


peace | neut

 

[cube]

Helium-3 fusion is clean. But you have to mine the Moon or a Jovian planet, preferably Uranus. The load you can fit in one Space Shuttle can power the US for a year.

 

[mikeyredk]

Helium-3 fusion is clean. But you have to mine the Moon or a Jovian planet, preferably Uranus. The load you can fit in one Space Shuttle can power the US for a year.

But it would take 2-3 years just to get the fuel in our fastest ships while mining is contiguous with the flight

 

[cube]

But it would take 2-3 years just to get the fuel in our fastest ships while mining is contiguous with the flight

You just have to pipeline.

Anyway, for cleanliness, there's also boron fusion, for which you find the fuel on Earth.

Research towards all these alternatives needs to be funded.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Helium-3 fusion is clean. But you have to mine the Moon or a Jovian planet, preferably Uranus. The load you can fit in one Space Shuttle can power the US for a year.

Theory....you still need to make a Helium-3 reactor and harness the energy. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

Back in the 80s, there was a company that was developing a desktop fusion reactor. Can't remember the name, but some of the funding came from Bob Guccione (Penthouse Owner). They never got it to work - obviously.

But the idea is a very cool one - instead of a furnace at home, you'd have a little fusion reactor....

D

 

[cube]

Theory....you still need to make a Helium-3 reactor and harness the energy. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

All of the fusion alternatives are at the research stage. The problem is that there is so much focus on DT.