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Real world benchmarks in Quake4, Doom3, UT2004, and Call of Duty 4 say otherwise, but hey, what does Macworld know.
AFAIK if Intel gets SLI for Nehalem, then Nvidia gets access to QP and other things.
Does anyone know if this chipset works with a "vanilla" 10.5.5 frankenmac? It seems that with the new introduction of the new MacBooks, MBPs and MB Airs with NV 9400 GPUs there may be a new set of vanilla Kexts for NV hardware. I have not been following what has been going on in the frankenmac community lately but does anyone have any info there?
For one, they know how to run irrelivant benchmarks which cast the most favorible view on new Apple toys. Photoshop bakeoff anyone??
The whole secret Alternative Dispute Resolution wouldn't likely go All-For Apple. There would have to be some sort of compromise. If they agree to some sort of Level of Quality standard.
I hope the Mac Mini doesn't die, but if it does then they have the iMac and the MacPro as the ONLY desktop offering. Doesn't really bode well for people that want a decent PC at a low price and don't want Windows/Linux. There is a market for that, and it isn't nascent. People who already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse.
It's just an idea. I mean - they could rip Psystar a new one. Dell wanted to build Mac-clones for years. Apple was even in "discussions" with Dell a while ago, according to one of my Dell Corporate Sales Reps. Nothing came of it. But that doesn't mean it never will.
Psystar is poking around a lot. Might change things. You never know.
I would never buy a computer with a nVidia chipset. Their discrete GPUs are great but the chipsets have too many problems. The Mini has enough room for a discrete GPU.
I have to agree for once!
On the Windows side there are plenty of basic workstations that just need to be glorified Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer boxes. Why spend money on a super GPU? Now I do like that nVidia is offering such a powerful IGP for the cheap masses. It's even better that it's all on a single chip.
Hackintosh
As an owner of a bunch of Macs, I'm finished. What rabid fanboys either don't understand or ignore is that there is nothing magical or unique about Apple's hardware. It's basically a PC that uses an Apple hacked version of IBM's EFI. Everything else is PC.
Case in point, I bought the cheapest computer I could find, a emachines W3650 and loaded OSX on it. The machine cost $298 at Walmart. Mac users and Steve Jobs will tell you that it's "Junk"... Is it??? Well, it uses exactly the same chipset as the Mini, the same integrated graphics, has a bigger, faster, (and better) HDD, comes standard with a DVD burner (or "SuperDrive" to you MacHeads). It's in a mini tower case, so you can actually upgrade it. Trust me, it blows the Mini away for hundreds of dollars less (This is the point where the Fanboys will tell me how "Ugly" it is and that it's not "sexy", "gorgeous" and "delicious" as an Apple product) ... Who cares, for $298 there is a fully capable machine that most people need for basic tasks and it runs OSX right out of the box - perfectly....
My Hackintosh blows my Intel mini and G5 iMac away (and only a tad slower than my Macbook). It more than good enough for surfing the web, getting email, loading my iPhone or iPod, and doing video chat with the kids... Christ, I popped in another gig of Ram, added a 22" monitor and a webcam and it still costs less than a Mini does without a monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers....
I have been a big supporter of Apple over the years. I bought all 3 of my kids (and my wife) iBooks and then MacBooks. I have several real Macs here. But I'm finished.
As hard as it is for you fanboys to understand, everything without an Apple logo is not "junk". Internally, the PCs are just as good (if not better). What makes PCs junk is the Windows OS, not the hardware...
Apple sells $400 computers for $1200 in pretty cases. Period. If that's for you, go for it...
As an owner of a bunch of Macs, I'm finished. What rabid fanboys either don't understand or ignore is that there is nothing magical or unique about Apple's hardware. It's basically a PC that uses an Apple hacked version of IBM's EFI. Everything else is PC.
Case in point, I bought the cheapest computer I could find, a emachines W3650 and loaded OSX on it. The machine cost $298 at Walmart. Mac users and Steve Jobs will tell you that it's "Junk"... Is it??? Well, it uses exactly the same chipset as the Mini, the same integrated graphics, has a bigger, faster, (and better) HDD, comes standard with a DVD burner (or "SuperDrive" to you MacHeads). It's in a mini tower case, so you can actually upgrade it. Trust me, it blows the Mini away for hundreds of dollars less (This is the point where the Fanboys will tell me how "Ugly" it is and that it's not "sexy", "gorgeous" and "delicious" as an Apple product) ... Who cares, for $298 there is a fully capable machine that most people need for basic tasks and it runs OSX right out of the box - perfectly....
My Hackintosh blows my Intel mini and G5 iMac away (and only a tad slower than my Macbook). It more than good enough for surfing the web, getting email, loading my iPhone or iPod, and doing video chat with the kids... Christ, I popped in another gig of Ram, added a 22" monitor and a webcam and it still costs less than a Mini does without a monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers....
I have been a big supporter of Apple over the years. I bought all 3 of my kids (and my wife) iBooks and then MacBooks. I have several real Macs here. But I'm finished.
As hard as it is for you fanboys to understand, everything without an Apple logo is not "junk". Internally, the PCs are just as good (if not better). What makes PCs junk is the Windows OS, not the hardware...
Apple sells $400 computers for $1200 in pretty cases. Period. If that's for you, go for it...
Well said. After paying close to $2K for my last PowerMac and $1500 for my iBook, then having them both die repeatedly, it left a sour taste in my mouth. My Hacintosh that cost me less than a top end iMac (with two matched 22" displays) has already had a MoBo swap (for upgrade reasons - more stable overclocking) and I've swapped the GPU (again for upgrade reasons).
Even with the new parts, I'm still under $2K and have no hassles running my vanilla kernel setup. Overpriced computers in pretty cases is certainly correct.
I am no fanboy but I see the value proposition in their products as I do other retail products. I originally posted my take on the frankenmac after building one.
In the case of the mac mini, it's been out quite a while now and the price point hasn't changed (wtg apple) so it's hard to see any modern system not outperform it at half the price point. That's like shooting fish isn't it? I really hope the frankenmac community continues to grow and I think it will and things will just get easier wrt to installation and hardware support.
I think people buy apple products not just because of the CPU+mobo price point. Even with the missing features of most retail configurations such as integrated bluetooth, wifi, super quiet fans, superior hard drive mounts to reduce vibration you know that many of these retail PC OEMs have to be getting by on razor thin margins or even losing money. How long can they keep this up and what do they have to do wrt other revenue streams to keep afloat? IIRC apple was operating on only 30% margins according to their Q4 report. I they want the bluetooth, the quiet fans, and the cutting edge laptop designs, and they want a company that can offer a 'decent' support experience. For those of us that have been in this a while don't go back to 'dell support' of even a few years ago.
Maybe the "fanboy" and "cult" phenomenon has something to do with it but I think it has more to do with keeping a company afloat that doesn't suck and doesn't treat most of its customers like crap.
now iI see it ...new Mac Mini will get new Nvidia and no Firewire..
lets pray it won't happen...
lets pray it won't happen...
And how does the 9400 or 9600 compare to the existing 8800 card in the 3.06 iMac? Is there any chance they would fit in the current iMac?
Mark
What kind of problems do they have?
The 8800 smokes the 9400 and 9600 combined. As of right now no, neither will fit in the iMac as the GPU board is different than what you could get off the shelf or even the MXM boards that Nvidia offers.
It sad to say this, but I have to agree. Apple has gone from selling extraordinary computers to very ordinary ones in a much prettier package.
Agreed-Apple uses a 5000 series chipset in the Mac Pro, would be quite a change to see a a "X" series chipset used.
not, but it is a change in intel policy. The x58 has dual socket support and is replacing both the x48 and 5400.
I think you're confused Ben.
- x58 will replace x48 (single processor, single QPI link)
- there will be a dual-cpu version of x58 (high-end desktop, like skulltrail D5400XS is right now) for 2 very high-end cpus will dual QPI links (in fact Xeon cpus with a different label)
- the "regular" workstation/server plateform will still exist in various flavors, those will use up to 2 Xeon-labelled cpus that have dual QPI links. (Tylersburg EP, probably will be named 5500)
The Core i7 that will be available later in november (Core i7 920/940/965) will be used with a standard x58 chipset for single cpu mid/high-end desktops.
FWIW, here's a list of the upcoming Xeon cpus. The W35XX models are equivalent to the Core i7 920/940/965.
Intel Workstation & Server Processors 2009 (Xeon)Tylersburg
Processor Speed Cache TDP Memory Sockets Platform Price
W5580 3.20GHz 8MB 130W 1333MHz 2 Workstation $1600 vs $1279 for the 3.20GHz Harpertown
X5570 2.93GHz 8MB _95W 1333MHz 2 ___Server___ $1386 vs $1022 for the 3.00GHz Harpertown
X5560 2.80GHz 8MB _95W 1333MHz 2 ___Server___ $1172 vs $797 for the 2.80GHz Harpertown
X5550 2.66GHz 8MB _95W 1333MHz 2 ___Server___ $958
E5540 2.53GHz 8MB _80W 1066MHz 2 ___Server___ $744 - vs $797 for the 2.80GHz Harpertown
W3570 3.20GHz 8MB 130W 1333MHz 1 Workstation $999 vs $1600 for the DP-enabled model
W3540 2.93GHz 8MB 130W 1066MHz 1 Workstation $562 vs $1386 for the DP-enabled model @1333MHz
W3520 2.66GHz 8MB 130W 1066MHz 1 Workstation $284 vs $958 for the DP-enabled model @1333MHz