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NYT Investigation Reveals How Easily Smartphone Location Data Can Be Used to Identify and Track Individuals
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original post said also “as it comes from Apple”... Your default search is bing because you changed the default setting that google is paying billions for.
just as google safe browsing is enabled by default, a feature that pings back to google every few minutes. It has nothing to do with the Tenecent issue, and if you don’t believe the article I posted read the google safe browsing api documentation.
It’s irrelevant as people can change that. There have been past pages on this folderol.
Issue has been discussed and debunked.
so we went from “plain false” to not relevant.... quite a difference eh? About my second claim that safe browsing api is pinging google servers every few minutes... please show me your sources that have debunked googles own documentation on the safe browsing API
We’re still stuck at red-herring and not relevant. Please show me your sources the Internet works differently if google pays Apple or not. This has been covered ad-nauseum in prior topics.
Your original post was patently false as is most blanket general statements. Not to mention little relevance to the topic at hand.
my original post was a direct reply to the claim that in order to be exposed to google tracking you’d have to first download an app from google or use google services. Which is false because iphones expose you to google tracking out of factory.
I made two very specific claims and so far you could not provide any evidence to counter them, and ignored the evidence I showed you.
It is you who is introducing red herrings (Tenecant), moving the goalposts (from false to irrelevant, now back to false) and introduce even more red herrings. I never made the claim that the internet “works differently” whether google pays apple or not.
A blanket statement was made about all phones being tracked by google. I said I used bing. How does google track me? That question was ignored.
You started out with some irrelevant past news about fees, nothing to do with the topic at hand thus introducing some red herrings.
Now it seems your suggesting google has type of internet skills no other company has. Tenecent has nothing to do with this conversation and Apple has already clarified what and why they do and this can be turned off.
Your post is largely hyperbole. If you want to come out and say google tracks you even with no apps on the phone and location off then say it and prove. But dont pin the root cause on some revenue and blame iOS. That’s moving the goalposts.
i didn’t ignore your question. Please stop misquoting me or taking my words out of context.
Out of factory - in its default configuration - your iPhone shares data with google - in specific with google search and google safe browsing APIs.
i posted links to prove it, although one could consider it common knowledge. You certainly should know about it since you actively changed that default search setting to bing.
If you don’t believe the sources i gave you - feel free to do your own research And find sources you trust (maybe look at your own iPhone settings after factory reset) and come back with proof.
You brought up Tenecent, not me. And no I am suggesting anything about googles “internet skills” (whatever that means)... please stop putting words in my mouth.
First, you brought up Tenecent, in an article you linked to, but maybe didn’t seem to read past the headline.
Second, out of the box, google gets nothing from you unless you use its services. And this is a red-herring anyway. If one continues (or starts to) to use googles services then google tracks you, not iOS. This is why this beaten to death topic is a red-herring for this thread regardless of any deflection to the contrary.
I think what the thing we getting too here, is search engines aggregate from each other... That may not always mean direct tracking, but more like in-direct tracking..
Safe-browsing is a list done by Google, and lots of companies, even Mozilla takes advantage of these lists.
If they had to do it all themselves,they would be have their own inaccurate/variations from one another. Even Safari uses it... and as such, *anything* coming from Google means tracking (from my point of view)
Google Safe Browsing - Wikipedia
But that's only because the business they do... Mayib thats going too far, becase Google does have privacy policies in place to try and subvert all this, but at the end of the day, you cannot subvert the model you do.
If Apple did the same thing, i'd treat them the same way.,
I have fraudulent website turned off. That said:I think what the thing we getting too here, is search engines aggregate from each other... That may not always mean direct tracking, but more like in-direct tracking..
Safe-browsing is a list done by Google, and lots of companies, even Mozilla takes advantage of these lists.
If they had to do it all themselves,they would be have their own inaccurate/variations from one another. Even Safari uses it... and as such, *anything* coming from Google means tracking (from my point of view)
Google Safe Browsing - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
But that's only because the business they do... Mayib thats going too far, becase Google does have privacy policies in place to try and subvert all this, but at the end of the day, you cannot subvert the model you do.
If Apple did the same thing, i'd treat them the same way.,
- it’s one thing to know your ip
- another to associate your ip to you
- and another to know your absolute location and know it’s you
I brought the article up as source for the claims I made. You picked the tenecent issue out of it And keep bringing it up while ignoring the evidence that is in support of my claims.
Out of box google gets iOS searches from every iPhone user - and a ping to safe browsing api Every few minutes. So your claim that “they get nothing” is false. Source: common sense and the article I posted.
You changed your settings - so your phone Is not “out of the box”
You can keep saying that I am wrong but I bet you will never come here with any sources for your claims or any argument based on logic.
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Original quote above.
(Sidebar: out of the box Apple should route all searches to google. After all google paid Apple a king's ransom for that privilege. Having said that...)
Issue #1:
- search engine is configurable.
Issue #2:
- fraudulent website is configurable
Issue #3:
- Your ios device can be configured so google gets nothing
Issue #4:
- Is irrelevant whether it's out of the box or not. IOS offers options to change the behavior. (And as I said, google earned their default status due to the fees.)
What is "wrong" with the logic in these posts, is the all or nothing, black and white, no grey areas to these discussions. But sure, trust or don't trust Apple (as you said above), changes nothing. For those concerned with this, at least there is the option to turn off google, unlike using an android phone.
There is no gray area here. Out of the box google gets a bunch of data from iOS users. That is what i wrote. Is it possible to opt out of google service? Yes, but that doesn’t make what I said false. In the contrary it proofs my claim was correct you wouldn’t have to change default settings if they didn’t exist would you?
Also it doesn’t matter whether the whole thing is irellevant to you ( hard to believe from someone who engages so actively in the debate), it certainly isn’t irrelevant to google, their annual multi billion payment speaks for that.
And it is also not irrelevant to the false statement that was made in the original post that I replied to - that you would have to actively download google apps or using google services to leak data to google.
Ontop of the Google SafeBrowsing, many routers these days tend to use Google DNS as default. Many websites and apps that relies on ads have some kind of Google tracker, if not for ads, then some other Google APIs. Without using something like Adguard or actively blocking some other ways it's impossible to not leak something to Google.
Same is true for Facebook however, a lot of legitimate apps voluntarily send data to facebook server without directly informing the users.
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There are plenty of grey areas. Google doesn't get any special information from IOs, that it doesn't get from Android or windows. It would be an entirely different matter, if in the bowels of IOS special code was invoked to pass information to google that other operating systems don't provide.
You're rationalizing your position as google is the 50,000 lb search giant and plenty of people are going to use them anyway. You have an issue with Apple taking 9 billion and setting the default search engine to google on IOS. (poor android users can't even turn this off) It's for continuity of the user experience and every IOS user can choose their own defaults. In my mind, people who worry about such things have enough knowledge to change the defaults. The other millions of users probably don't care, but the point is the tap can be shut off.
Nowhere did I say that google gets different data from iOS than from Android. That is you again putting words in my mouth and making stuff up because you just refuse to admit that you incorrectly deemed my claims wrong.
Then you keep writing stories about how users can change the settings anyway, how i am rationalizing something, That google is super big, about Android users that can’t change their settings, user experience continuity, and then the best part:
Users with knowledge kam change this default settings anyway, and those who don’t know about it have not deserved any better than being unknowingly tracked by google.
At the same time you come here and attack others who want to educate the uninformed about this issue and correct a false statement that was made about - I will repeat myself - iOS only leaking data to google when you actively download an app or use their services.
You can choose which search engine to use in iOS. Edit: I see a whole discussion on this. Still I wish more people were aware of it.
Guys even using something as common as the weather app has a location tracking service. I'm stunned that people think simply having an iphone gives you "privacy." IOS does have encrypted iMessage but in this day and age the only way to have privacy is to go completely off the grid Unabomber style.
No, that is pointing out how conveniently android was left out of this if the issue is really what google does vs what iOS doesn’t do.
Because you don’t acknowledge there are options in iOS.
Exactly right. Stop blaming this on iOS and blame this on google. You going to tell the hundreds of millions of google users they are wrong for using google?
This is not education, this is misinformation through omission as education would be to include other platforms such as android.
That’s the point, this is not an iOS issue, this is a google issue. Out of the box google is the default search engine because google pays Apple a bunch of money. Users can choose to keep using google or cut the ties by using a search engine of their choice.
It seems to me the sticking point is the 9 billion, but such is life.
The people that are going out of their way to boast about how they are leveraging privacy (e.g using DDG, VPNs, “privacy” browsers) will be up for a rude awakening if the internet is ever deconstructed
The genie is out of the bottle with google and probably not going to change their method of operation.
IMO, what Apple should focus on is making sure apps adhere to apples privacy policies of full disclosure.
You are never not going to be tracked and at the very least the government keeps tabs on this, but at the very least one should be comfortable about the way your data is being managed and handled by private companies.
There’s so many apps that track you. For instance I have a fitness app that counts the km I run, the calories I burn and at the end gives me a map of my running route. I know I’m being tracked by google maps.
my point is simply having iOS is not going to give you more privacy. The apps you download, the websites you browse, the way you use your phone can all make you easily traceable.
my point is simply having iOS is not going to give you more privacy. The apps you download, the websites you browse, the way you use your phone can all make you easily traceable.
Although I think Apple has good(?) intentions, it’s being misdirected to thinking it’s solely at the app level. You have to have good faith that the data is managed respectfully end to end directly/indirectly from the app all the way to the ISP.
In my book total privacy = your privacy + your data privacy. Apple does a good job with data privacy, imo, and they are working in eliminated apps that act in bad faith. However once one leaves an Apple device and is on the internet all bets are off as far as your privacy.
IMO, IOS gives a good total privacy score mostly due to the good data privacy score. The “your privacy” score, where ones data streams are at the whim of the nodes between the source and destination, the score will vary but be independent of the platform.
IMO, IOS gives a good total privacy score mostly due to the good data privacy score. The “your privacy” score, where ones data streams are at the whim of the nodes between the source and destination, the score will vary but be independent of the platform.
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