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What, specifically, is broken about the patent system?

The intent of the patent system is to promote innovation. To a great extent, it accomplishes the exact opposite. Overly broad patents, which don't actually identify useful, specific ideas, are being employed to impose large, sometimes back-breaking, costs on companies that are actually doing something useful.
 
It'd be great if this was really thorough legislation that really worked...but...well, knowing the US Government...

Usually said by people who don't want the government to work. You understand that the present congress isn't going to pass any legislation that might make the problem less severe, right? It might help Obama. It might make people realize he's no Marxist dictator. It doesn't put more money in the hands of billionaires to do as they please.
 
If Obama can help stop patent trolls I'll be impressed! It will be a tough road to plow.... but crossing my fingers he can.
 
Watch very carefully.

Man that tinfoil hat must be tight. Loosen it up a bit.

He can propose legislation, doesn't mean squat. It has to pass the legislative branch for it to ever be implemented. It's how the executive branch has always influenced policy making.

If this even passes the legislative branch which in of itself is just a comical s---fest, it would bring some progress to the table, though I doubt it will. Too many of these trolls have lobbying groups to extreme extents with deep pockets. No way they'd let this slide quietly.
 
Here's what I think

Software patents shouldn't go beyond maybe ten years.

They should not be transferrable to a company that doesn't use them except to sue. If you're producing software or hardware, you can buy a patent. If your company fails, your patents become usable for free unless the original inventor figures out how to produce something with another company within, say, two years.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama is the head of the executive branch, is he not? That is not how laws are supposed to be created.

Putting all that "checks and balances" nonsense aside, since it's obviously not important anymore, what do you suppose his motivation is for this order? To draw attention away from his numerous scandals? Lobbying from Google (remember his connections to Eric Schmidt)?

Watch very carefully.

So let me understand...the Executive Branch is not permitted to submit legislation to Congress.

Man, I have to find my Social Studies teacher and set him straight! Oh, wait..he's probably dead by now.

I will watch carefully...I'm sure there's some nefarious plot in here somewhere.

A humble suggestion...judge any act on it's own merit, or commit the Genetic Fallacy.:D
 
Simply abolishing "software patents" would solve 90% of the problem, IMO.

Copyright law should be more than adequate to protect code. A "look" is irrelevant, IMO. Many cars look similar. The technology they're built with (reliability, internal design, etc. etc.) are what is really important, not that they have something like a menu design that looks similar to the iPhone. Well, what are you going to do in such a small amount of space? Icons aren't anything new themselves.

My only concern about targeting "patent trolls" is that reciprocal is still true (i.e. Apple vigorously enforces their own patents, as does Samsung and other large corporations that DO build something). In other words, it's this multitude of hundreds of thousands of patents in general that need to be looked at more carefully. Some tiny little aspect of an overall device shouldn't have its own patent, IMO. Having 5,000 patents describe ONE device gets a little ridiculous, IMO. And thinking of something like having an iPhone swipe credit cards is hardly worth a patent, IMO. It's just another function for a computer to do. Big deal. There are different ways to skin a cat and different ways to read information into a device. If someone copied one's credit card reader plugin device, it's a problem. If someone made their own device with their own design, it shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if there's only ONE way to do something (i.e. two finger swipe), anyone else trying to do the same thing shouldn't be a victim of a patent lawsuit. It's just too obvious but clearly these patent clerks don't see it that way.
 
Geez, doesn't the Government have anything better to do than...wait...

Pretty good idea if it can get past...well... some other people!

Not bad for a Commie...er...Socialist...ah...foreign born Muslim...I mean the President.:p

;) :D

Best comment here :)
 
It's not his only action he's ever done right...

Certainly it's the biggest thing he's ever done right, or at least it sounds like it from this article. I'll have to see what exactly he is proposing first.

Other things he has done did a lot more wrong than this did right, though.

Bigger than the auto industry bailout? That seems like his major achievement. I'm also impressed that he did that as a Democrat because a lot of the Democrat supporters I know are seriously anti-corporation, and the party seems to be against huge corporations.
 
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I have a friend that patented a number of ideas for the medical industry. He has neither the capital, investors, or desire to deal with production. He has made a decent living off people or companies "buying-out" his rights and receiving royalties.

Why is that a bad thing?

Why can he ONLY have a patent if he's ONLY going to make something?

He's a little odd. Isn't this America? People get paid for their ideas all the time.

We can talk about frivolous but that is very subjective.

And it is an over-reach of Executive Powers but who's counting at this point. That silly thing called the US Constitution doesn't seem to matter anymore.
 
I love how people here are acting like Obama's the first president to have a scandal.


With that said, I'm glad someone's doing something to try and un-screw the patent system. I actually had a lunatic try to sue me for stealing a piece of artwork that I created. Creators should be protected. Firms who use patents/copyrights only as a form of income, not so much.
 
Way to take care of the people Obama. Meanwhile Monsanto is poisoning us all and you have nothing to say to that.
 
I love how people here are acting like Obama's the first president to have a scandal.

Nobody here said that, but I'm sure a few think that. This forum has a lot of borderline conspiracy theorists and Jeffersons on it.

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I have a friend that patented a number of ideas for the medical industry. He has neither the capital, investors, or desire to deal with production. He has made a decent living off people or companies "buying-out" his rights and receiving royalties.

Why is that a bad thing?

Why can he ONLY have a patent if he's ONLY going to make something?

I agree with you and disagree with the people saying that you should only get a patent if you are going to produce something. Your friend is (hopefully) different from the retards at Lodsys patenting totally, blatantly bogus and vague things that they did not invent then suing everyone. Someone who has a legitimate invention should be able to sell his ideas without making it himself.
 
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I love how people here are acting like Obama's the first president to have a scandal.

Yeah but what scandal? Benghazi? Not really Obamas fault. Maybe Hilary and he's trying to protect her but its not like they wanted anyone murdered.

IRS? I don't think Obama directed them to scrutinize tea party applications more. And it didn't seem to do anything. IRS is dumb but I doubt Obama had anything to do with it.
 
What, specifically, is broken about the patent system?
Software patents should not exist at all. And a company should be required to demonstrate economic harm in order to prevail in a patent lawsuit. I.e. if you are a holding company making no products, then you have no standing.
 
IRS? I don't think Obama directed them to scrutinize tea party applications more. And it didn't seem to do anything. IRS is dumb but I doubt Obama had anything to do with it.

His party may have been involved, but nobody really knows. Most scandals are controversial like that.

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Software patents should not exist at all.

If this was true, I would never even consider producing any software.
 
That it's profitable for a group of investors to buy up vague, poorly written patents from holders/companies that no longer use them/care about them and then sue everyone who is even close to violating them in the hopes that they pay up rather then fight.

If you think these patent holding companies are benefiting the original holder then you are mistaken. They often are bought for next to nothing.

As others have mentioned - patents are to protect not to be bought by shell companies to punish others.

It's not just the holding companies to blame - Apple, Google and just about every technology giant are just as guilty too. They buy patents to keep others from using them. Similiar to what AT&T/Verizon do with wireless spectrum.

A symptom would be what you say about the companies. The problem is the approval of vaguely written patents. If you only treat the symptom the problem will never go away.
 
This is upside down

Companies like Apple and Google are stealing technology and calling it their own. They spend their big bucks (ironically earned off this stolen tech) influencing the President and Congress to trash the patent laws to benefit them.
 
The intent of the patent system is to promote innovation. To a great extent, it accomplishes the exact opposite. Overly broad patents, which don't actually identify useful, specific ideas, are being employed to impose large, sometimes back-breaking, costs on companies that are actually doing something useful.

Agreed. Patents provide a monopoly right for the patented matter in exchange for disclosure of the invention. Society thereby gets access to the invention and is allowed to build upon it, whereas economic exploitation of the invention lies exclusively with the patent holder for a limited time. What is done with that patent is to be decided by the patent holder and I do not see that something is wrong, in principle, with companies transferring patents to others.

It is easy to generalise this discussion by focussing solely on patent trolls, and we should not do it. Patent trolls prosper because they are able to hold such silly patents in the first place. If the invention is valid and a good one, I doubt that any company would even be willing to sell it.
 
About time, the gov has been asleep on patent issues and abuse for 35 years.
 
This sounds like the kind of legislation that takes a hell of a long time to implement....
Wouldn't be a problem if the branches get off their asses and work together on it. Unfortunately, there's nearly always a conflict of interests between the parties. :/

It'd be great if this was really thorough legislation that really worked...but...well, knowing the US Government...
No legislation is perfect, especially ones dealing with complex issues that have many "in's" and "out's" such as the patent system. Analogous to any extensive and complex piece of code, there will always be holes to exploit. It is the government's job to eliminate as many holes as possible without compromising the spirit of the legislation itself.

This is good news. The patent system in the U.S. is broken and needs to be fixed.
The system's been in place, has worked, and largely continues to work, for 100+ years. It isn't broken. However, in a world domintated by intangible goods (e.g. software and digitally distributed content) it is in desperate need of an update.

This may be the first thing Obama has done well in office.

Well, let's be fair. He hasn't done it, yet. He merely proposed it. The man's got his heart in the right place. Well, more so than some of his other colleagues.
 
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