I want to learn a prog. language (i dont know programming) that will help me develop mac apps. There is a lot of fuzz about Ruby, how great how easy it is, and seen some examples i agree. Its easier than obj-c. With macruby comes much closer to mac platform. Obj-c is the language that apple uses natively and most apple developers to bring awsome apps. I dont mind much if eg ruby has difficulty 5 and obj-c 7 because i want to learn a powerful language. Also with ruby and the rails framework you can create web apps. You learn one and do both mac and web apps. But i still cant deside. Can someone , from expirience, tell me what finally desided between those two? I will miss something important about code, compability etc from obj-c if i learn and write ruby? Also suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance for any help.