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Official 2007 MLB Season Thread

mattscott306 said:
They are really a far cry of "The NL Worst," the nickname they earned a few seasons ago.
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We went through this same nonsense last season too. It was easy to show then that the NL West had the best combined record in baseball, just as it is now. Current combined divisional records ± .500:

NLW +17
NLC -24
NLE +11

ALW -2
ALC +12
ALE -4

The complete absence of a doormat team in the NLW fools many baseball fans into thinking that this is a weak division, as does the absence of team from Boston or New York.
 
Unfortunately the division won't get recognized until it has some post season success.If one or two teams from the NL West gets in and goes far,that'll get people to pay attention..Unless you follow the game closely,the casual fan will overlook the regular season...
 
The NL West got recognized plenty when the Padres won it two years ago one game over .500, not that this aberration can ever be lived down. In fact, as we can see, it's still being recognized as weak, but really only by people who follow the eastern divisions to the exclusion of the rest of the sport. The NL West has had lots of postseason success, just not in the last couple of years.
 
Believe it or not,there are people in Boston in New York who ACTUALLY follow games beyond Boston and NY as well as have a passion for the game itself, not just localized yahooism..
 
Yes, I believe such people do exist, we just don't hear from them very often. I have the advantage of having grown up in New Jersey, as a Mets fan, so I know from long experience about the many fans who live happily in the Yanksox black hole of baseball.
 
fotografica said:
Believe it or not,there are people in Boston in New York who ACTUALLY follow games beyond Boston and NY as well as have a passion for the game itself, not just localized yahooism..
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but those are very few and far between. and also for fans of the other 28 teams, espn buys into this black hole and thinks everyone is either a yankees or a red sox fan. it's getting very old very fast. i think espn likes al teams better than nl teams, and if they have to cover the new york team, go for the mets instead...they are actually in a race and are better than the sorry yankees.
 
Good point. I was absolutely furious over the way ESPN broadcasted the playoff games between the Dodgers and the Mets last season. The bias in favor of New York was total, and nonstop.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Good point. I was absolutely furious over the way ESPN broadcasted the playoff games between the Dodgers and the Mets last season. The bias in favor of New York was total, and nonstop.
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No different than when McCarver and Buck do a Yankee's game on Fox. I like the game,not just Red Sox. It all goes back to "fan of the team or fan of the game argument"
 
fotografica said:
No different than when McCarver and Buck do a Yankee's game on Fox. I like the game,not just Red Sox. It all goes back to "fan of the team or fan of the game argument"
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Please don't get me started on those two failures of life. Hate them both with a passion.
 
The Don Ditty said:
Please don't get me started on those two failures of life. Hate them both with a passion.
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I never watch them or listen to them, period. Though their common denominators take them through St. Louis where McCarver has '64 Series hero history, and Joe was Jack's offspring, their commentary holds nothing in comparison to the "old gang" of Garagiola, Caray and Jack Buck back in the KMOX days.
 

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swiftaw said:
C Posada
1B Youklis
2B BJ Upton
3B A-Rod
SS Jeter
OF Ordonez
OF Hunter
OF Guerrero

As a red sox fan it pains me to select 3 yankees, but Posada is clearly the best catcher right now, and A-Rod and Jeter are slightly ahead of Lowell and Carlos Guillen respectively.
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Too bad Youk isn't on the AL ballot. :( Stupid NL!
Hard to argue with you on Posada though, as he started today leading the majors in AVG.


their commentary holds nothing in comparison to the "old gang" of Garagiola, Caray and Jack Buck back in the KMOX days.
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I get better commentary out of my ass after eating real Mexican food. I love that if you search for Tim McCarver on Google, his website isn't first. :D
 
MacNut said:
In other news....the Yankees can't pitch......:mad:
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Smotlz and Hudson
and three days of cussin' for the braves...

Good news is Cormier made what should be his last rehab start, six and 2/3 innings of shut out ball. James also did decently yesterday, so we may end up with a very strong 1 2 punch and a decent 3 4 spot
 
aloofman said:
By that do you mean you won't be complaining about them on a game-by-game basis? Or are you just teasing?
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Im already starting to give up on them. After the way they keep playing there is no reason to support them if they don't want to win.
 
Spoken like a true Yankee fan -- support is conditional on victory.

I really don't like being continually snide about this, but the truth of the matter is, if fans of the rest of the teams in baseball thought this way, then there would be no baseball. Think of that -- no teams for the Yankees to play!

Seriously. Yankee fans need some reality therapy. Maybe they're getting it this season.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Spoken like a true Yankee fan -- support is conditional on victory.

I really don't like being continually snide about this, but the truth of the matter is, if fans of the rest of the teams in baseball thought this way, then there would be no baseball. Think of that -- no teams for the Yankees to play!

Seriously. Yankee fans need some reality therapy. Maybe they're getting it this season.
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I support my team, always have always will. But there comes a time when the team has to return that fan support by winning and putting a team that wants to win on the field. I have always said that I think the fans care more about the game then the players do. The Yankees play this season proves that point. What is so bad about wanting to see a quality team play. If a team that is promised to be contenders tanks the season what are the fans supposed to do. Say its ok you still deserve our money to go out and play like a bunch of no names. Sometimes the only way to show management that you don't approve of the product is to not watch and tell them that you want to see a change.
 
MacNut said:
I support my team, always have always will. But there comes a time when the team has to return that fan support by winning and putting a team that wants to win on the field. I have always said that I think the fans care more about the game then the players do. The Yankees play this season proves that point. What is so bad about wanting to see a quality team play. If a team that is promised to be contenders tanks the season what are the fans supposed to do. Say its ok you still deserve our money to go out and play like a bunch of no names. Sometimes the only way to show management that you don't approve of the product is to not watch and tell them that you want to see a change.
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Couldn't agree more. That really seems to be the problem here- the majority of the Yankees just don't seem to be trying or just don't seem to care.

I'm a Yankee fan, always have been, always will be. Have I give nup hope this season? Just about- there's still some hope, but I really have no expectations going into any games anymore. Will I still watch every game? Hell yes. I want to watch my team and, more importantly, the players that I like, go out there and give it their best (I'm talking Jeter, Posado, Pettite, specifically).
 
MacNut said:
I support my team, always have always will. But there comes a time when the team has to return that fan support by winning and putting a team that wants to win on the field. I have always said that I think the fans care more about the game then the players do. The Yankees play this season proves that point. What is so bad about wanting to see a quality team play. If a team that is promised to be contenders tanks the season what are the fans supposed to do. Say its ok you still deserve our money to go out and play like a bunch of no names. Sometimes the only way to show management that you don't approve of the product is to not watch and tell them that you want to see a change.
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Ah, well, this is where Yankee fans and the rest of baseball seem to part company. We all like to root for winners, but nobody else thinks we're entitled. Fans all over the country follow teams with little hope of seeing them win. Fans of other teams watch them do well one year then collapse the next (e.g., St. Louis). My own Dodgers have recorded exactly one playoff game victory since 1988. I also grinned and bared that ugly season when they had one of the best starts in franchise history, then ended up losing over 90 games. Maybe growing up a fan of the hapless mid-'60s Mets toughened my hide, but it did make '69 an incredibly euphoric moment, one I'll never forget. Such are the fortunes of baseball -- of which Yankee fans believe they are not a part.

So it's possible to field a mediocre $200 million team. Welcome to baseball. As I say, a little reality therapy can be a good thing.
 
I grew up during the 80's Yankees, I watched them tank every season until 1995. So to say that I am a spoiled Yankee fan is a little extreme. Yes we have had a good run and that run was expected to continue. If at the beginning of the season the Yankees said, oh by the way we are going to tank the season this year I would of been ready to deal with it. But when they say we have a great team this year and then they tank that makes it hard to chew. It is not like I am a Royals fan and expect to lose every season.
 
The yankees situation could have happened to any other team. If the red sox lost half their rotation, i'm sure they'd be far behind in the division.
Anyways, i'm much more disappointed with or relievers and closers, and our lack of consistent run support. Last season, Johnson had an ERA above 5, but still won 15 games because the Yankees averaged something like 8 runs per game when he pitched.
Cano, Abreu, Giambi, and everyone else who is tanking really need to start producing. We can turn things around, last season beckett started off amazing, but bombed after the all star break, as did paplebon. Once we get a solid rotation (Mussina, Wang, Pettitte, Clemens, and Hughes/De Salvo/Karstens/anybody else) then i think we will start doing better.
 
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