Well, that would open the door for about a hundred other guys to get in too. If he'd played for the Washington Senators instead, no way he gets in.
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Well, that would open the door for about a hundred other guys to get in too. If he'd played for the Washington Senators instead, no way he gets in.
Oh, get off it. Sorry I missed this earlier, but no, they don't "usually" choke. This has happened only one other time in all the decades I've been a Dodger fan. You know, it can happen when you lose three starting pitchers.
Actually, I think the cash is going the other way, that is wily mo + cash for PTBNL
Oh, get off it. Sorry I missed this earlier, but no, they don't "usually" choke. This has happened only one other time in all the decades I've been a Dodger fan. You know, it can happen when you lose three starting pitchers.
Furcalchick is straying toward New York fans on the Insufferability Index.
100 other guys?
you mean like Ozzie Smith?
or Luis Aparicio?
or Pee Wee Reese?
Or Brooks Robinson?
Or Bobby Doerr?
Or Johnny Evers?
Or Bill Mazeroski?
There's tons of people who arguably should not be there.
Let's not pick on the Scooter.
You're right, there are tons, and I don't think Evers belongs there either. However, I think that most of those others you listed were better fielders than Rizzuto was. And Aparicio, Reese, and Robinson had better offense. I think Reese is a very marginal HOF-er (and I'm a Dodger fan) and Mazeroski should have been in sooner.
I'm willing to argue about who else should never have gotten in if you are. I'm not trying to pick on Rizzuto.
Furcalchick is straying toward New York fans on the Insufferability Index.
No kidding. It's bad enough watching all those pitching arms get broken and seeing your team fall from first to fourth, without hearing a bunch of baloney about how it happens every year.
I'll be at the game tonight to watch Eric what's-his-name start, flown in from Las Vegas just for the occasion.
What were you saying about creaming the angels?
And Gagne blows another game...
And the Yankees win 6-1, thanks in part to Jason "I took 'roids but didn't get punished" Giambi
You know, this is the first pitcher Texas has traded that hasn't gotten radically better after the trade. *coughchrisyoungcough*
He keeps blowing games,esp down the stretch,and the fans will run him out of town ala Foulke...Theo's already on the hook for several moves/non moves....
this is sounding like a merriman situation. yeah, he had a suspension, but his image didn't take a hit with the media.
I was laughing my butt off lastnight watching Gagne blow another one.What were you saying about creaming the angels?
And Gagne blows another game...
Giambi at least admitted it so the media really had no reason to chew him out. Plus the fact that he is a nicer guy then Bonds or Sheff I think everyone is willing to forgive and forget.
I'm not into the politics of race really and normally I have no time for it...but it sure seems like race and steroid use are intricately enmeshed when it comes to perception aand forgiveness.
If Roger Clemens stood up tomorrow and said "Yeah I did steroids" I doubt there would be anywhere near the hatred that Bonds has...and Clemens easily mirrors Bonds as the best non position player of this generation.
If Roger Clemens stood up tomorrow and said "Yeah I did steroids" I doubt there would be anywhere near the hatred that Bonds has...and Clemens easily mirrors Bonds as the best non position player of this generation.
I disagree, look at Mark Macguire ... was a first ballot HOF'er and now i think he might be left out due to his comments. he's suffering and he wasn't quite a villan, also white if memory serves. Bonds is a jerk, I think he hates most people that aren't named Barry Bonds.
McGwire suffered at the hands of the sports reporters who left him off their ballot.
Most fans don't have a problem with him even when it was common knowledge he was doing andro.
Giambi at least admitted it so the media really had no reason to chew him out. Plus the fact that he is a nicer guy then Bonds or Sheff I think everyone is willing to forgive and forget.
Who is the "nicer guy"? By whose standards and based on what? Giambi is viewed in the press as a nicer guy because he deals with the press in a less confrontational manner, but the question has to be asked why should fans care about how players deal with the media? And secondly, do the players who have a problem with the media have a legitimate basis for their problems? I think they do.
What we see about athletes has become a form of celebrity hunting by "reporters" who want face time on sports channels. I've got to ask whether we should be looking at the standards of Journalism that pass these days in most sports pages. I would submit it has sunk to new lows. Much of what is reported becomes a form of schadenfreude - the enjoyment of the problems of others - and has nothing to do with an attempt to objectively portray the abilities and achievements of athletes. While some would say this is better than the "jock sniffing" style of hero worship of former times, I've got to ask whether we can't demand better.
Now, that doesn't mean Bonds and Sheffield are wonderful human beings, but the perception that, for instance that Bonds "hates most people that aren't named Barry Bonds" is shaped by what reporters choose to report. I could bore you with many stories of how Bonds is loved by SF fans and how he has shown his positive side to fans and teammates. That is never reported. Instead, fans get a constant repetition of the "Bonds is the devil" theme. The unfortunate lesson is that if you want a positive image, a player had better be prepared to kiss some major league media butt.
Into this mess, you add the fact most reporters are white and many of the players they cover are not, and you are bound to have race become a factor. The real question about McGwire, for instance, is why - when everyone knew he was taking a form of steroids banned in other sports and likely knew he was taking others as well - did reporters who now think Bonds should be thrown out of Baseball say nothing as Mark broke Maris' record? I think it is legitimate at least to ask the question whether Bonds and McGwire's race plays into this double standard in the reporting of some of the media? I think it does.
But McGwire was never Mr. Convivial, ever. He looked like he was having such a miserable time during the 1998 run to the home run record, only lightening up his dour countenance a bit after much prodding from Sammy Sosa.
Now Sosa is a prime example of the power of playing the PR game right: he did his whole blow kisses at the crowd and sprint into the outfield with the American flag thing, earning much love and admiration from the average fan. In the clubhouse, however, he was self-centered and egotistical to a point that would make even Bonds blush: the boombox appeared to be a much bigger distraction than the leather recliner.
But I think the whole notion of wanting "lovable" superstars is a bit silly, anyway. I'm paying my money to watch them perform on the field, not to have dinner with them and discuss Fassbinder films or something.
I don't know, it would definitely be a distraction for the team if he is on one.
Sort of fractured the Diamondbacks when Jason Grimsley got into his mess, when they cleaned house afterwards anyone who the fans looked at sideways got traded.
Heck, the team was still gun shy this year about bad press and was called on it by the player's union.
i hate the dbacks
we are getting worked by the snakes yet again. 12-1 in the bottom of the seventh, we currently only have one hit via a chipper jones long ball in the first. the pitcher one hitting us, micah owings is having a career night at the plate, 4-4 with 2 homers and six rbi's. for some reason, we can never beat this stupid team, first owned by webb, now this. this is getting stupid now, and i fear our chances of the playoffs are starting to slip.
edit: two hits now, frenchy just hit a solo shot, so it's 12-2. just so stupid that we are relying on the long ball...again.
edit 2: three hits, and you guessed it, another homer, this time andruw goes yard. 12-3.
we are getting worked by the snakes yet again. 12-1 in the bottom of the seventh, we currently only have one hit via a chipper jones long ball in the first. the pitcher one hitting us, micah owings is having a career night at the plate, 4-4 with 2 homers and six rbi's. for some reason, we can never beat this stupid team, first owned by webb, now this. this is getting stupid now, and i fear our chances of the playoffs are starting to slip.
edit: two hits now, frenchy just hit a solo shot, so it's 12-2. just so stupid that we are relying on the long ball...again.
edit 2: three hits, and you guessed it, another homer, this time andruw goes yard. 12-3.