You quite possibly have, but didn't realize it. Unless you're right beside the person, looking at the screen - you wouldn't know. It looks like most any other phone at a casual glance.
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You quite possibly have, but didn't realize it. Unless you're right beside the person, looking at the screen - you wouldn't know. It looks like most any other phone at a casual glance.
Again, precisely the point. Apple is competitive on levels which are exclusive of the Intel processor.
This just happened to be the original point of contention:
An argument which you have, now, so effectively helped to support and affirm.
The point is, no one here was refuting that Apple competes on levels other than using the Intel processor (the issue here) - your endeavors at attempting to suggest that they do have been refuted by your own statement above.
So, only by shipping units with higher specs are you competitive ? Maybe you need to re-read what competition means.
No, perhaps you ought to consider reading the lineage of posts more thoroughly before reacting.
i got the HTC droid on saturday and the os is very impressive and the apps are cool too its plenty fast on the internet too
its plenty fast on the internet too
That's correct. I was overstating it, but the quality does noticeably degrade even in indirect sunlight. Maybe it's usable for some people, but I'm absolutely thrilled when I pull out the iPhone in direct sunlight and it's not diminished at all. I have a long list of things I hate about cell phones and that was the top of the list so maybe it seems more important to me.
I expect the next iPhone or the one after it will have an OLED display. I wonder what the doubters will say then?
If you're counting me amongst the doubters, don't. I've seen Apple elude everyone's best guesses too many times before to take too firm a stance on this topic. I think Apple will use whatever makes sense to them, but I would be disappointed in the loss of display quality in well-lit environments that OLED would bring.
On the surface, Fight Club is a crass, rude and disturbing movie about fairly unlikeable characters doing awful things. Underneath, it has one of the strongest philosophical viewpoints I've ever seen in a film and it's very much something any thoughtful human being can relate to.
In Manhattan, Upper West Side, Midtown, not one - iPhones everywhere, but I've yet to see Droid in the wild.
This is wrong. In this very thread, people are claiming that Apple doesn't compete. At all. On no level whatsoever. "Apple only does things because Apple wants to do them". Again, I am just correcting the people that claim this. The fact you are trying to change the subject means you are defending these people and trying to change the argument to prevent me from showing these people that they are wrong.
And the Intel switch was very much a competition issue. A well designed aluminium G4 macbook with high battery efficiency, even for a few mere tens of dollars, would've gotten raped on the market.
Trust me when I say this, it's because you're not looking. I was talking to a friend by Acura's new front grill design (the shield design) and said I hadn't seen that many Acuras around with it and I didn't think people liked the design enough to buy them. He then proceeded to point out about 10 per day for a week (and no, not the same ten).
If you're not actively looking for something, you're not seeing it.
Yes, you are right. Which is why there is no better platform for developers AND consumers than the iPhone. Apple has to make the iPhone as lustful as possible to sell it and grow its ecosystem. Google just wants ad money. LAME! Hmm, which phone should I buy?
I like Google for screwing Microsoft, but they annoy me sometimes too!
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I wouldn't say that Droid has faded but technology moves fast.
This is just another new Android based handset to add to the multiple handsets catering to different needs.
Android marketshare is on the up. The amount of Android based handsets is on the up (htc's leaked 2010 roadmap looks impressive already) so count this as another option when choosing an Android handset that will help towards Android's marketshare and Windows Mobile's demise.
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I wouldn't say that Droid has faded but technology moves fast.
This is just another new Android based handset to add to the multiple handsets catering to different needs.
Android marketshare is on the up. The amount of Android based handsets is on the up (htc's leaked 2010 roadmap looks impressive already) so count this as another option when choosing an Android handset that will help towards Android's marketshare and Windows Mobile's demise.
Looks like the Google nexus will only do 3G on T-Mobile and Edge on AT&T.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/
Big fail, I was considering getting this.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/
Big fail, I was considering getting this.
Totally agree to that! just whenever i tried to show it to any of my friends they were not that pleased by watching it
Is the 3GS the next iPhone killer? Has the iPhone 3G faded away, just as the first model did?
Of course. It's all progression within an ecosystem.
NJ has lots of different cultures. I'm in a technical one and see lots of Androids. What culture and location did you visit? Newark? Bayonne? Secaucus? The mountains? The beaches?
I believe instead of "culture" you meant to write "exit."
Yeah yeah yeah ...
Just wait until my pal "Vinnie" shows up at your door. Tomorrow you'll be singing a different tune. Or at least in a different octave.
Bah dah bing!
Agreed. The notion that Apple is somehow isolated from market forces or has somehow reached an operational utopia that allows them to ignore competition makes me want to slap-a-hoe. Apple products are influenced by many factors (price points, technology limitations, long term market strategies, innovation, customer purchasing trends, etc.) and you'd better believe that competitive factors play an enormous role.
Heeellllooooo: "I'm a Mac vs. I'm a PC." The iconic Apple marketing campaign and product strategy of the motherf-ing decade is a DIRECT shot at a COMPETITOR. What did Apple do? They looked at what their competition was doing right and what they were doing wrong - they then designed a product that was superior (using the competitor as a benchmark) then marketed their product as such. For f's sake. How many conferences have you all listened to where Jobs or some other exec showcasing some features decides to compare it to MS? Do you all remember the iPhone intro 3 years ago? I do - Jobs spent the first 15 minutes comparing the iPhone to competing products and how the iPhone was designed to address specific shortcomings of these products.
For years, they did their own sht and thought "oh, let's make bubbly Macs with handles with some fringe components while making it only minimally compatible with what is currently the dominant platform" and look where it got them. Do you think Apple really wanted to develop bootcamp and have people running Windows on their Macs? No. But they knew that this move would give people a level of comfort when making the switch. Do you really think Apple wanted to start selling $999 MBs? No. But they see how netbooks have taken off and how customers are expecting more bang for their buck. Do you think Apple wanted to start selling $99 carrier-subsidized iPhones at the risk of cannibalizing their ipod sales? No, but they saw the pressure that started building from their competitors and decided to respond with a different business strategy. This is not Apple working in isolation. This is Apple addressing customer demands and needs in a fluid competitive landscape. I know you fanboys like to think that Apple floats above the fray and that somehow they are exempt from market forces, but this simply isn't the case. Apple is as much a victim to this reality as any other company.
I will give DMann one thing - iPhones definitely dominate over the Droid in Manhattan. Jump on any train, 48% iphone, 48% blackberry, 4% others including the Droid. However, I'm not sure why this is a surprise to you. The Droid just came out - the iPhone has been out for 3 years. I'm also not sure why you haven't seen any Droids. They are definitely "out in the wild." At work, in my immediate group (personal phones only, work blackberries excluded) we have 3 iphone users, 2 droid users, 2 blackberry users, rest are non-smartphones. Droids are out there and more people are purchasing them. Apple cannot and will not ignore this fact. I've had the opportunity to play with the Droid and while I do envy some of its features, it wasn't enough to make me want to switch. However, this Google phone is definitely poised to take my $$$ if Apple doesn't respond accordingly. This is competition. Apple is bound to the market. They will definitely respond (whether it be through device innovation, pricing, marketing, or a combination is yet to be seen). They cannot ignore their competition and they cannot escape the fact that what they make, how they make it, and how they market what they make is affected by their competition. Thinking they can float on their own plane and ignoring legitimate substitutes only guarantees that the Google phone will be my next purchase instead of the next iPhone. And from what I've been reading on this thread (but definitely more so on generic non-apple tech sites), I'm not alone.
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uuuummmmmmm... if you look at the picture they're is even an htc at the top of the phone
I would think macrumors would pay a little more attention to things as obvious as that
HTC will build the Google phone in the same way that Foxconn build the Iphone.
It is designed by their respective owners (in this case, Google and Apple)
When it comes to launch, you will probably find the HTC removed and replaced with the G icon. Probably, as there are still a tonne of rumors flying around with this phone....
Wow, what a scientific study. Two people, in the same area of the country, didn't see a phone that from 10 feet away looks like every other touchscreen phone. How comprehensive!
Oh my god, here's one in IL, that must mean there's tons of them here!
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Odd, I manage to recognize iPhones, Pres, G1s, Blackberrys. I guess I won't know anything about recognizing Droids until I actually see one.
I watch for these things and like others here I've yet to see one in the wild. Except in the Verizon store, where I spent some quality time with the thing. Nice screen, inconsistent UI, ugly industrial design, horrific hardware keyboard (seriously, that keyboard just sucks). And like the Pre, it seems the Droid buzz has completely faded away. Already. Now the Nexus One is the Android flavor of the day (that splintering sound you hear is the sound of rapid platform fragmentation).
This Droid is not the iPhone killer you're looking for. Move along. Move along.
Well Apple does have more cash then god and the best products. They can afford to coast, but they aren't. They literally have innovated so far beyond the competition, that they are only competing with their existing products now.
Google just seem to be bent on some technological domination. Not that I have anything against competition or Google in particular, but they are getting there hands in every bit of IT they possibly can.
There's something slightly disconcerting about that.
Google will become Skynet.
Mark my words, people.
There's something slightly disconcerting about that.
Google will become Skynet.
Mark my words, people.