The only people screaming for more RAM are us nerds on this forum and some others.
Most iPhone users don't even know what RAM is.
Official iPhone 6 Plus Reviews Report 1 GB RAM
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The only people screaming for more RAM are us nerds on this forum and some others.
Most iPhone users don't even know what RAM is.
Does iPhone 5 suck now after 2 years? Nope, so S.T.F.U
benjalamelami
macrumors member
Its totally the oposite. I have always felt the other devices I tried feel a little slugish even when shiny new.
doelcm82
macrumors 68040
Well, keep screaming if it's important to you. The 1GB RAM hasn't caused any problems on my iPad or iPhone.
Maybe this year's iPads will have 2GB (or more). It's probably too late for Apple to change it now if they've already settled on 1GB. But there will be another new iPhone in twelve months, and it's probably on their list of enhancements to consider. Some pressure from the SCREAMING may influence their decision.
And there's always the option of Android. Or WindowsPhone. If Bigger GBs is what you really want, there's probably an Android phone out there that will give it to you. The ability to shop elsewhere is your biggest power as a consumer. When something is as important to you as this seems to be, then you have to be willing to make some sacrifices to make your point. Otherwise Apple has you by the whatever-it-is-you've-got.
Someone gets it. You are paying through the nose for these devices and people's reactions are "don't care" "show me how to trigger a refresh" "it's plenty" oh and that old chestnut "shut the f up before I get really mad."
Apple never mentions RAM, not on their website and not in keynotes. Well we wouldn't want to confuse folks with "different" types of gigabytes would we? And if the specs aren't quite as good as the competition, Apple likes to sweep that under the carpet. Try to find "A5" on the iPod touch tech specs page on Apple's website.
People think that 16 or 32GB is the "memory" of the device and it seems to keep them happy. So most people won't even know what you are talking about, letalone understand what an app refresh is and why it happens.
So your apps will refresh a lot. But at least they'll refresh 25% faster than before!
bigthanbigger
macrumors regular
i think apple is richest company right now , they have billionare,
everything hardware they make is 1 step behind droid , such as
camera 8.0 droid 10 up
ram 1 gb droid 2 up
water resistant
wireless charger
all stuff they behind
but ,,, that how apple treat us , less hardware but faster than droid ,
apple weapon is small but powerful
droid weapon big but dont work like it
also apple kind cheap , apple never giving customer free stuff , remembering iphone 4 glass rear change to aluminium , iphone 5c plastic , apple save money for build big company headquarter ,
everything hardware they make is 1 step behind droid , such as
camera 8.0 droid 10 up
ram 1 gb droid 2 up
water resistant
wireless charger
all stuff they behind
but ,,, that how apple treat us , less hardware but faster than droid ,
apple weapon is small but powerful
droid weapon big but dont work like it
also apple kind cheap , apple never giving customer free stuff , remembering iphone 4 glass rear change to aluminium , iphone 5c plastic , apple save money for build big company headquarter ,
maybeiloveyou
macrumors member
UGH! This is the one feature I really want :,(
BS. Just tried it. No reloading.
Someone show me how to trigger a RAM fault. If I can't because it's so "intermittent" it never happens, or I have to open 8 tabs in Safari while playing Bioshock, then it's a problem created by abusing the hardware, not through "normal use"
And all this "power user" crap is just that: crap. Whining because something malfunctions doing something nearly no one else uses it for doesn't make you a "power user". It just means you are unable to purchase the right hardware to meet your unusual needs.
For 99.9% of users, 1GB is plenty.
I couldn't care less about the .01%, and evidently, neither does Apple. Neener neener
So because it doesn’t happen to you it’s BS? QED√.
There are lots of people that have problems and decide not to mention it because they can’t be bothered/don’t know how to go about getting it fixed. There are some who even think it’s supposed behave badly from time to time, others accept it as one of those things and so on and so on.
My iPhone 5S has no low memory logs right now but my RiPad Mini certainly does. Some other apps open and 3 Safari tabs. Now if it’s the other apps that are the problem why does Safari show the symptoms?
Your maths is crap too. 99.9+0.01=99.91, so stop trying to be so clever.
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The weapon is as powerful as you want/need it to be. If it’s number one priority on your list that your device is waterproof and/or takes very hi res photos the iPhone is going to slow you down a lot.
They do give away free stuff but not often.
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Absolutely. That reload issue I reckon must have happened to everybody at least a few times. Some it bothers some it doesnt.
Apples biggest strengths are marketing and aesthetics.
Quite possibly. My company anongst other things makes very large hardware in the power electronics industry. When we go to carry out service work we curse at the length of the ribbon and signal cabling that links the boards. (Now I am well aware that especially in the case of signal cabling that the wire can act like an antenna), but there are many times that when adding one inch can make a significant difference to service work but they will not. Times when they could put an access panel in the equipment to facilitate test and measurement but no. Its down to cost virtually every time.
Someone made the point earlier, there is a cost/benefit analysis. When the job of the workers in the field is harder and takes 6 hours now instead of four, they pass this on to the consumer, (you and I), in more ways than one. It may be in ongoing service, it may be in upfront cost but rest assured we pay for it. Usually the consumer finds out the undesirables when he/she has long been separated from his or her money.
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Was going to buy two without reservation but this time around I think Ill go play before I buy.
Doesn't this just delay the problem? At some point, Apple will move to 2GB RAM, developers will optimise for that, and the previous generation will lose out
Nope.
As everyone knows - except you maybe - RAM needs to be constantly "refreshed". That costs electricity. Or "battery life", if you prefer.
The more RAM you have the more it costs in terms of electricity. So you want to keep that cost as low as possible.
Savvy so far? Good. If not, here you can educate yourself a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_refresh
What?
KylePowers
macrumors 68000
Ha! You're cute.
Electrical engineer here, specifically VLSI and microfabrication. While you're certainly not wrong in that additional memory can lead to additional power draw, you're merely in denial if you don't think this is primarily a financial decision.
Edit: let me quantify it for everyone, just for fun. Let's say Apple opted for 2GB, a measly $5 more than their current 1GB modules (arbitrary price). Well, take the case of 4 million preorders. Welp, that's $20 million they just lost in revenue. Are you going to give up $20 million when your primary consumer base would never notice the performance difference?
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That Apple safes on bucks as a nice "side effect" is certainly true. I did not deny that! I referred to the "That is all (saving bucks)" part of the previous poster when I said "Nope".
While it's true that I have absolutely no clue how much electricity can be saved while still sticking to 1 GB of RAM (as opposed to, say, 2 GB) I am pretty sure that is a crucial factor for Apple: even if it means that "battery life" can only be improved by a couple of percent (5% maybe?) it is already a win, since we all know that battery life is the weak factor of any smartphone.
So yes, I still think that Apple engineers are trying to save as much on electricity costs as possible. If most apps run well with 1 GB, why change it? (And again, saving money and making the user still pay a lot is a nice effect, too
)But hey, it's funny, software engineer here: I can tell you that unless you want to load huge amounts of "texture data" into VRAM (shared RAM in case of the A8/iPhone) - which applies to games only anyway, which yes, are an important factor in the ecosystem - then I can tell you that 1 GB RAM is PLENTY (even considering the amount the OS itself is consuming)!
The iOS API has plenty of "hooks" which let app developers "unload" resources they currently don't need (or which can be easily re-created later, once the app becomes the "active" one). If the app does not do so (which yes, requires effort and knowledge on the part of the developer) within a certain grace period the app is being kicked from RAM (in "low RAM" situations).
That is just one example how apps on embedded systems can (and should) deal with their resources.
So yes, if you're into 3D games then you never can have enough RAM (for hi-res textures, sound etc.). Otherwise: stop whining! Write efficient code! Unload resources you don't need! Etc.
JayLenochiniMac
macrumors G5
I've said it before and I'll say it again. How would this help Apple in term of marketing as they never advertise the RAM in the iPhone?
On the other hand, they just sticked an estimated amount 5 times as high up the arse of U2
Just saying...By the way, while I certainly agree with your numbers here's another view on the story:
Let's assume the production cost of the average iPhone model is somewhere around $500. They sell it for an average price of $700, so the net gain is $200.
With your 4'000'000 pre-orders that is a net gain of $800'000'000. Minus the above $20 Mio that's only $780'000'000. So they loose about 2.5 percent (in reality I believe the margin is much higher, and the "loss in percentage" would hence be much lower).
farewelwilliams
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i remember my iPhone 4 was extremely sluggish and felt the need to upgrade to an iPhone 5.
the only reasons why I'm upgrading from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 6 is the screen size + touch ID since the iPhone 5 seems to be running just fine in iOS 8.
it'll be hard to get me to an iPhone 7 unless apps are getting greedy with the memory, so therefore, the 1GB could be a reason why I would upgrade.
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when the users start to notice that launching any game closes all other apps and they need to be relaunched upon resume.
and also the fact that safari feels the need to reload tabs constantly
JamonBull
macrumors 6502
1gb? Thought this might end up being the case. One of the reasons I'm waiting for the 6s Plus. Hopefully it has 2gb of RAM, the sapphire display, better battery life and an even better camera and by that point accessory makers will have had a year to refine some great products for the new design. E.g. New version of Logitech Case+drive? Essential to my daily iPhone use. Yeah my 5s will do me just fine for another year.
Although partly true, 1gb will show it's limits in a year or two. Developers will get fed up with hardware restrictions stopping them from developing new and better apps.
If as you claim it is to stop coders becoming lazy, maybe Apple should look at themselves. Mac OS has become a bloat. Takes more RAM to run every new version.
Pagemakers
macrumors 68030
Does the 6+ have tabbed browsing in Safari like the iPad?
If so and with 1GB I wonder if the tabs refresh constantly like the do on the iPad Air making Safari virtually unusable for anything serious.
If so and with 1GB I wonder if the tabs refresh constantly like the do on the iPad Air making Safari virtually unusable for anything serious.