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dallas112678

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Anyone else noticing a lot of frame drops? A good 30-40% of the time I open up e-mail (as just one example), the thing stutters during the entire opening animation... This on a iPhone 7+.
 

imagineadam

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Anyone else noticing a lot of frame drops? A good 30-40% of the time I open up e-mail (as just one example), the thing stutters during the entire opening animation... This on a iPhone 7+.
How are you enjoying the new delay to close apps when pressing the home button? I'd go back to 10.3.3 if I was you.
 
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now i see it

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All iPhones on ALL major iOS updates are super busy indexing the new software. Let everything settle down for a day or two and see what happens.
 

Fuzzball84

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It's indexing. Just like when you get a new house, iOS will be exploring and remembering where everything is in its new residence.

Give your iOS device time to settle in. Give it a drink of Horlicks, a nice bed and a good nights sleep.

Of course this is all rubbish, its apple not yet optimizing iOS fully before the consumer release... well they do have to release a new version every single year and drop support of older 32 bit apps!

Pft
 

C DM

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Here we go again with the indexing nonsense. It’s not indexing, I’ve been running iOS 11 B1 to GM and it’s gotten better but it is still a valid issue for iOS 11 GM/Final.
There might be other things involved, but “indexing” (or basically various other processes doing something more after an upgrade) isn’t exactly a new or nonsense.
 
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TL24

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It's indexing. Just like when you get a new house, iOS will be exploring and remembering where everything is in its new residence.

Give your iOS device time to settle in. Give it a drink of Horlicks, a nice bed and a good nights sleep.

Of course this is all rubbish, its apple not yet optimizing iOS fully before the consumer release... well they do have to release a new version every single year and drop support of older 32 bit apps!

Pft

Give it up already guys.... it’s not an indexing issue.

Let me ask you this, have you been running iOS 11 since B1? If not, don’t post lies about indexing being the issue here, iOS 11 IS the issue.
 
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Paddle1

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It is indexing, but that doesn't necessarily mean the issue will be completely gone when it stops.
 

Hastings101

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It's indexing. Just like when you get a new house, iOS will be exploring and remembering where everything is in its new residence.

Give your iOS device time to settle in. Give it a drink of Horlicks, a nice bed and a good nights sleep.

Of course this is all rubbish, its apple not yet optimizing iOS fully before the consumer release... well they do have to release a new version every single year and drop support of older 32 bit apps!

Pft

It always cracks me up when people say that. If there's any secretive "indexing" it's not going to take days anyway.
 

TL24

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It is indexing, but that doesn't necessarily mean the issue will be completely gone when it stops.

Oh so you have proof? Please enlighten us with when indexing will be completed for those of us that have been running iOS 11 for weeeeeeeks now.
 

BeeGood

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Probably did on this one lol, just tired of folks coming on here saying everything slow is an indexing issue.

I hear you, and it’s particularly frustrating when you’re in the beta program. I just started with beta 10, I can’t imagine how folks who have been running it since beta 1 feel.

The frame drops/lag/stutters are definitely not normal. Hoping it gets fixed within the next few weeks.
 
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Feenician

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It does get better with time, but there are still new frame drops that weren't there in iOS 10.

It seems Apple is utterly incapable of updating iOS without introducing these annoying drops.

It’s not unfair to say.

I’ve said it before but whatever Apple did back in iOS 7 (or maybe before, but they just hid it better) clearly makes whatever the equivalent of a window manager in iOS hard to handle. Every refactor results in these (small, but still not welcome) visual performance losses. It will get patched up and everything will be smooth for pretty much everyone but, clearly, whatever is behind it needs to get fixed.
 

Paddle1

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Oh so you have proof? Please enlighten us with when indexing will be completed for those of us that have been running iOS 11 for weeeeeeeks now.

i used to work in software engineering at apple so i can share some insight here. (i don't work there anymore otherwise i wouldn't be allowed to speak at all on apple related forum regardless of topic.)

when you upgrade to a new version of the operating system, in order for customers to use their phones right away (instead of seeing a blank "setup" screen), we continue a lot of optimization, database migration/upgrade, etc behind the scene. some of these things will be done opportunistically (e.g. when you are charging overnight), but some activities need to start right away. these background activities will keep the ap (application processor, aka "cpu") on in the background, competing for the resource your foreground applications are using.

give it a few days and you will see a much more stable stead state experience.

however, as any major version upgrade, performance, battery life, and stability will suffer quite a bit in exchange for features. how apple (and most companies) releases software is the major (X.0) versions are for features, and subsequent versions (.X) are for performance/battery life optimization, bug fixes, etc.

trust me, there are teams of engineers whose jobs are solely dedicated to improve your phone's performance, reduce crashes, etc.

It's also pretty apparent that things are a bit slower after a new install. Regardless, if you had understood what I wrote, you would understand that I'm agreeing that it's an issue with the OS.
 

TL24

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I hear you, and it’s particularly frustrating when you’re in the beta program. I just started with beta 10, I can’t imagine how folks who have been running it since beta 1 feel.

The frame drops/lag/stutters are definitely not normal. Hoping it gets fixed within the next few weeks.

Same, hopefully the next betas will focus on fine tuning iOS 11.
 
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Feenician

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Same, hopefully the next betas will focus on fine tuning iOS 11.

They will, they always do, but clearly we shouldn’t get here every year. I am not especially irritated in daily use by this stuff since it’s cosmetic but still, I don’t think it should happen. At least not quite so obviously.
 

dallas112678

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All iPhones on ALL major iOS updates are super busy indexing the new software. Let everything settle down for a day or two and see what happens.

This is like all of the "the glue needs time to dry" posts trying to explain the yellow tinting problems that seem to happen to every iPhone.

Lets get real, these processors are much too beefy to have indexing cause random animation frame drops when opening apps.

This isn't the first time I've updated iOS, I've never seen as much frame drops after an update as I do now.
 

Knowlege Bomb

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This is like all of the "the glue needs time to dry" posts trying to explain the yellow tinting problems that seem to happen to every iPhone.

Lets get real, these processors are much too beefy to have indexing cause random animation frame drops when opening apps.

This isn't the first time I've updated iOS, I've never seen as much frame drops after an update as I do now.
Amen to this. With how much Apple gloats about the efficiency of their processors on their phones there should be none of these little stutters that make everybody lose their minds around here.

Personally, I couldn’t care less but the forums have been pretty much ruined by the “lag and stutter” junkies.
 

Salvor Hardin

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Amen to this. With how much Apple gloats about the efficiency of their processors on their phones there should be none of these little stutters that make everybody lose their minds around here.

Personally, I couldn’t care less but the forums have been pretty much ruined by the “lag and stutter” junkies.
Well maybe Apple should hire them because clearly they’ve gotten rid of anyone who prided themselves on iOS being Buttery Smooth™.
 

M5RahuL

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Anyone else noticing a lot of frame drops? A good 30-40% of the time I open up e-mail (as just one example), the thing stutters during the entire opening animation... This on a iPhone 7+.

I saw that throughout the beta program on 11...all the way to GM .. I’m back on 10.3.3 before they stop signing it.. iOS 11 is crap on my 7+.... surprisingly much better on the new iPad Pro.. hmm..
 

Feenician

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Personally, I couldn’t care less but the forums have been pretty much ruined by the “lag and stutter” junkies.

Most will disappear shortly. There is more than ever goes on in iOS updates now. Where other solutions just upload your photos and wait for the “cat”, “sports game” etc. tags to come back from the cloud, all of that is done on device in iOS. An absolute ton of recognition, right on the phone or tablet. That’s the price of privacy. Someone’s going to call me a fanboy but that’s the reality of how it works.
 

C DM

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This is like all of the "the glue needs time to dry" posts trying to explain the yellow tinting problems that seem to happen to every iPhone.

Lets get real, these processors are much too beefy to have indexing cause random animation frame drops when opening apps.

This isn't the first time I've updated iOS, I've never seen as much frame drops after an update as I do now.
In the same vein of it not being the first time, seems like with pretty much any update (in particular any major update) some people encounter some issues of this type while many don't.
 
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