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I now have to agree with Lanbrown, not long ago I would have said the same as MacNut; that PowerBooks need to get G5's before iMacs. But now the iMac is so far behind the PC competition it's not even funny. It can't be hard to get a 1.4-1.6GHz G5 in an iMac, and Apple should do it pronto!

I would love the family computer in my house (currently a 2.4GHz Compaq Evo D510) to be an iMac, but there is no way I'd tell my dad they are a good buy at the moment. a 17" iMac with 512MB RAM is £1,529. For that much you can get an Alienware 3.0GHz P4 (800MHz FSB w/ HT), 512MB DDR3200, Radeon 9600 XT 128Mb, 120GB SATA and have almost £100 change!!!!. There's just no contest!
 
Yeah, where is that NeatGekko troll anyway? Wonder if he'd like some tartar sauce to choke that thumb down. Does tartar sauce even go with gekko?

I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I was all ready to buy the dual 2.6ghz G5 today. Bummer.

And iPhoto/iTunes had better stay free. Thats one of the cooler things about owning an Apple.
 
I really think they must have cut some deals with Moto saying to the effect we will buy x amount of G4's period. Like edesignuk has stated the so called consumer machines performance is so far behind we dont even see comparisons made anymore to what the Wintel world has. I to couldnt recommend a Imac to anyone except people who dont want performance? Emac has been crippled so it dont compete with Imac and Imac isnt competing with anything. it really is a no contest. Thank god they still have the best software otherwise the marketshare would be at 1%. Apple just cant seem to get away from crippling one line so it dont compete with another or any Pc's for that matter. The G5 is nice but it still isnt a P4 3.0. Hardware line seems to be falling further and further behind so instead of doing anything about it they are chasing the Mp3 market. If Xserve can handle 2 G5's there is no reason not to have a g5 at different clocks in every product they make. Emac 1.2 g5. Imac 1.4 and 1.8 G5s. Apple is screwing themself again, Its almost as if they dont want more then 5% marketshare.
 
Originally posted by agreenster
Yeah, where is that NeatGekko troll anyway? Wonder if he'd like some tartar sauce to choke that thumb down. Does tartar sauce even go with gekko?

I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I was all ready to buy the dual 2.6ghz G5 today. Bummer.

And iPhoto/iTunes had better stay free. Thats one of the cooler things about owning an Apple.
I wonder if Neatgekko started with his thumb ( you know the one he's pulling out his( ) or perhaps is nibbling slowly on those fingernails working his way up to those knuckle sandwiches.
 
Im sure we'll still see revisions before summer of the 2.6ghz kind. Maybe next month, now that Apple tends to do that right after MacWorlds now. Hope so!
 
First off, ditto to the keynote being a letdown, etc. Second, I really do think there will be some good things coming soon. You have to remember, a lot of stuff they DONT release at the expos.
 
Re: Oh well.... No new PowerMacs

Originally posted by edesignuk
Oh, and anyone who tells me to "stop all the whining, aren't you ever happy?" ...bite me! You can't tell me your happy there wasn't an update.
You can whine and bitch all you want, I don't care;)

No update is however good for us on the PC side, because it leaves the door open for AMD to push their Opteron's, and 64FX chip, faster before Apple.
 
Re: Re: Oh well.... No new PowerMacs

Originally posted by manitoubalck
You can whine and bitch all you want, I don't care;)
Thank you kindley, I will :)
No update is however good for us on the PC side, because it leaves the door open for AMD to push their Opteron's, and 64FX chip, faster before Apple.
Isn't it just, Intel still own the 32-bit arena, and AMD own the 64-bit along with the G5. AMD will advance the A64 at a steady rate to keep ahead of Intel, Apple/IBM must keep going faster and faster to not end up like moto all over again.
 
Maybe the G5s aren't going to be used because 7457-RM is just around the corner.
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Only I think Motorola forgot which corner they parked them on again.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Like edesignuk has stated the so called consumer machines performance is so far behind we dont even see comparisons made anymore to what the Wintel world has. I to couldnt recommend a Imac to anyone except people who dont want performance?
Emac has been crippled so it dont compete with Imac and Imac isnt competing with anything. it really is a no contest. Thank god they still have the best software otherwise the marketshare would be at 1%.

Apple just cant seem to get away from crippling one line so it dont compete with another or any Pc's for that matter. The G5 is nice but it still isnt a P4 3.0. Hardware line seems to be falling further and further behind

I can get though the bad english to see your point and it is very real.
Apple is shooting itself in the foot by still using the G4 from Moto which was dated before it's release. The iBook is the only consumer laptop/computer that's processor is still on a 180nm chip. Come on apple lift your game.
 
Originally posted by agreenster
I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I think we're all in a bit of shock here, but that's partly because we let our expectations get ahead of ourselves with regard to the $99 iPod and even NeatGekko's "I know for sure the 3 GHz's are coming" routine.

While everyone was trashing his, they'd end the comment with "But it sure would be nice if it were true." So we are probably more let down than most.

Most of us agree that we'll see new models in 4-6 weeks, and maybe with all the G5 shipping crap (I heard a rumor that one or two people had some delays:rolleyes: ) and the 15" screen release fiasco, Steve et al chose NOT to focus on hardware and bring up all those fresh and raw memories in Apple's user base (ie - now I wonder if they'll screw up THIS new model as well).

And regarding the mini iPod, while I would have liked to see a non-Hard drive implementation, that's probably still a few years away. But the more I think about the mini, I think they DO understand their market. They WON'T steal sales away from the iPod crowd, beacuse people in the know realize that $50 more buys a lot more storage. But the 256 MB mp3 players are pushing $200 in price, and I think that the Apple team is gunning for this market. Toss in an extra $50, and we'll give you 16 x's the storage.
 
New Macs on B-day???

Try this on for size. On the official b-day of the Mac, Apple will update the PM to lets say 3g. They will release an all new iMac with a G5. I admit I am biased and want a G5 iMac. Now you may say that won’t happen because they just released the 20 inch but they did this for a reason. They are trying to get rid of those 20 inch screens so they can introduce the new ones. I am assuming the only difference between the iMac screen and the cinema screen is the way it is supported. The G5 PB will be released late this summer because it is still too early for them to have the chip cool enough for the laptop. YES NO??
 
Re: New Macs on B-day???

Originally posted by squirrellydw
Try this on for size. On the official b-day of the Mac, Apple will update the PM to lets say 3g. They will release an all new iMac with a G5. I admit I am biased and want a G5 iMac. Now you may say that won’t happen because they just released the 20 inch but they did this for a reason. They are trying to get rid of those 20 inch screens so they can introduce the new ones. I am assuming the only difference between the iMac screen and the cinema screen is the way it is supported. The G5 PB will be released late this summer because it is still too early for them to have the chip cool enough for the laptop. YES NO??

Well I have my money ready for the G5 imac... I would prefer it if it had a new form factor in metal. Theres no point buying a iMac at present when old Power Mac g4's are a better buy...
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I cant but wonder how many people were holding off on getting that powermac they wanted, or imac or emac or ibook and powerbook. Keynote had to be a big let down for all those people who wanted a computer for christmas but waited.:(

Well, I have ordered mine dual 1.8 on 8 december 2003, and am still waiting... :(
Wanted to have it and expected it in my christmas holiday, but it didn't came, they said that it takes antoher three weekes at the earliest... And this was on monday. So, I thought I was lucky and would get a cpu upgrade free of charge from Apple, nut no new cpu's announced...
 
Originally posted by Dreadnought
Well, I have ordered mine dual 1.8 on 8 december 2003, and am still waiting... :(
Wanted to have it and expected it in my christmas holiday, but it didn't came, they said that it takes antoher three weekes at the earliest... And this was on monday. So, I thought I was lucky and would get a cpu upgrade free of charge from Apple, nut no new cpu's announced...

Well a three week delay could well be an indicator that an upgrade is due in that time frame... so it could work out well for you.

Jason
 
Duff-Man says...I have been waiting for the "rev2" G5's to hit before I upgrade the dual800 and I was about 50/50 regarding the expectations of seeing it announced this week....obviously/logically we all know it is coming relatively soon so I can wait another few weeks...I think the real 20th anniversary later this month will bring something for us...hang in there.....oh yeah!
 
Duff-Man says....and to add....for what it is worth, macosrumors posted tonight with this tidbit:
Senior Apple personalities who have been roaming the show floor post-keynote have been overheard pointedly dropping hints of an Apple event later in the month that will update the PowerMac G5 and at least one other Mac along with it -- and the upgrades will be "even more ambitious than what the rumor sites would have you expect"....
...again, the source may not be the most reputable, but in this case it makes a lot of sense....oh yeah!
 
Originally posted by edesignuk
As others have said, the more I think about the whole thing the more disappointed I am...my PC friends are just gonna love this :rolleyes:

You are on quite a roll here edesgnuk:), 'grumbles:' I bet if I went on such a rant RowerPC would shut me down:(.

Anyway yes, the more you look at this year's mac world the more you get disippointed. There is no way I'm spending $2300AUD, on the base model iMac, or over $1300AUD for the base model eMac. I'd be a fool.

Even the old G4 towers still are retailing for over $3000AUD. I mean come on. are apple trying to price themselves out of the market?
 
Come on people.

We all know by now that Apple prefers NOT to update their hardware at MacWorlds, so no-one shoud have been expecting them. We all know that the Xserve G5s are using the new 90nm 970s.... put 2 and 2 together: Apple plans to post the new G5s when they are ready to ship. No fancy anouncement, followed by "shipping in about 6 weeks". Something simple: New PowerMac G5, up to Dual 2.5 GHz. Now shipping.

Sure, the mini iPod is way too expensive.
Sure the iMacs now are a bad investment (unless performance means absolutely nothing to you).

But once a new rumor "Apple Store Down!" is posted we will all be buzzing again.
 
Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Come on people.
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Sure the iMacs now are a bad investment (unless performance means absolutely nothing to you).

-snip-

Surely that's a signifcant problem for Apple presently?
If you expect everyone to afford a G5 PowerMac (likely dual) to get PC like performance, when your prices (at least here in Aus) mean your paying 25-40% more, I think its fair to say your not catering to the high level consumer / prosumer market which is reasonably signficant. I can't really afford to that sort of extra and alreading being a PC user and likely switcher I know for my money on hardware specs I would be far better off with a PC than a Mac. But OSX is so cool that this time I will switch for a few years to what I can afford to get the Mac experience but to what is the clear question given the iMac is under powered (32bit, low GHz and RAM) at present.

If the 20th Anniversary make is just a speed hike on the G5 and not something more revolutionary like a G5 iMac or possibly a new form factor G5 unit, then many (including me) will be disappointed.

Jason
 
Before the doom and gloom completely takes over lets just remember things aren't all bad. The Pentium 4 may be faster at some benchmarks than the G5 but it ain't going anywhere. The recent P4 updates seem something of a desperate step by Intel, adding large cache and overclocking (Remind anyone of the G4?). The G5 is a vastly superior chip which in many ways is just as quick despite the clock differences yet is quieter and more efficient. AMD with the FX have the superior x86 Proc, it kicks seven shades out of the P4 and overclocks nicely, they have similar clock speeds to the G5 and aren't exactly shooting up the GHz ladder, no news on 90nm development either. This puts Apple/IBM in a strong position, we wouldn't even be having this discussion this time last year so :)
I quite agree we do need to see G5 or new G3 technolgy filter down to the rest of the Apple range to rejuvenate it somewhat. The eMac is unlikely to change, it was designed for education and still just about satisfies this price point. Remember that for none Pro/Pro sumer users the difference between a P4 and even a G4 is only a few seconds maximum at most tasks. The clock speeds tell of a huge gap and it is there but for many tasks you don't notice a difference, this in many ways is thanks to the OS which is one reason we have to be very thankful for Apple. M$ users can go on all they want about Longhorn but it is years off, as long as Apple keep up development then this is one area they have the lead in and will continue to.
Apples are not just about speed but also reliability and design. In this respect the iMac just about makes up for the lack of processing power but I can't see it being long b4 they are updated but I'm stilll not sure about the G5. Think howlong it took for the G4 to reach consumer level. I don't think we've heard the last of IBM's updated G3's yet! It's not 64bit but that makes bugger all difference as does the lack of 4gb RAM support, give it a high clock and bus speed and we may have a winner at least for a while giving the pro chip time to really find its feet, 65nm anyone?
For all those people who don't realise the potential of Garageband watch the key note demo and then look to do that on the x86 platform for below £200. Apple is primarily a software company (or at least was) software like this is where they innovate and drive forward, this is why I own a mac.
This year we need the following:
1.New consumer iMacs (whatever format they may take)
2.G5 PB (bring the pro laptop in line with the desktops and differentiate it from the consumer line)
3.Updated PM (lets keep the ball rolling)
4.A 64bit OS (or at least a more optimized OS, this will be the real breakthrough, get this and benchmarks become irrelevant until M$ release a good'n, first OS then software)

END RANT
 
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