So after complaining that I was fed up with Apple support I walked into a local reseller and asked if I made a purchase through them if they would deal with the warranty issues - they said they would even for Apple products I didn't buy though them. ....so, I asked if they had any of the old dual 2 GHz G5s they were selling off, and they had one for $2249 CND (so $250 less than the new 2x2 G5s). So I bought it. Yeah, I'm a looser, 2 days ago I'm saying I'll never deal with Apple again, and now I buy a new computer from them. I only did it because the people at the store were really nice and assured me that they would deal with any hardware issues, so hopefully my time spent on hold with Apple waiting for someone who may or may not care about my issue will be minimized. I prefer the older model because RAM is really my critical issue, if I replace the video card it will be with something other than what any of the new ones come with, and I just don't care about dual layer DVDs. This isn't my gaming machine - its a music machine (Cubase), Java dev box and a server. So I'm happy! Even though I'm still fighting with Apple trying to get my Apple care registered for a purchase I made from them that they don't belive me about. In the end, its all better than having to make my music on a PC. ...guess I should go change my sig now - anyone want to buy my Debian box?