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Ok, now I'm irritated with the freezing

Update:

There has been no freezing as of yet. I estimate that I've logged about 10 hours watching more Futurama/South Park, and not a single freeze has occured. I've used both Firefox and Safari. I'm going to log a few more hours to be sure, but I have a feeling that the culprit was indeed Flash. Thanks for all your help everyone:)
 
I hope that fixed it!

Was this freezing actually the OS crashing? I mean did it completely lock up the machine, or just the browser? And if it was the whole machine, how could Flash do that? I mean shouldn't it be protected from a program like Flash?
 
mad jew said:
Just remove everything related to Flash.
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You know, whenever I install a Flash update it screws things up. When I run Disk Warrior, it always discovers that the permissions are set incorrectly.

Only Flash does this consistently. :mad:

Does Adobe know what they are doing?
 
mad jew said:
So this is done and dusted? :)
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I believe so:) If I don't get any freezing in the next two or three days, I'm going to say it was Flash with a 99% certainty.

Wolfpup said:
Was this freezing actually the OS crashing? I mean did it completely lock up the machine, or just the browser? And if it was the whole machine, how could Flash do that? I mean shouldn't it be protected from a program like Flash?
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The whole computer would crash. Not just the browser. No command, like Force Quit would work. It's all over now (crossing my fingers and knocking on wood).
 
That is really weird. Anyone have an idea how that's even possible? It should be totally impossible for Flash to bring down the OS!
 
Wolfpup said:
That is really weird. Anyone have an idea how that's even possible? It should be totally impossible for Flash to bring down the OS!
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At this point, I'm just glad that my computer is behaving. I don't care to work out the "mystery" of Flash at this time:p
 
Wolfpup said:
That is really weird. Anyone have an idea how that's even possible? It should be totally impossible for Flash to bring down the OS!
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I have seen this actually, not on a laptop, but on a PowerMac G4 1 Ghz box that I was working on at work, with flash and video crashing it, oddly enough. This has occurred on youtube, and VLC. So to me this problem isn't odd...
 
compuguy1088 said:
I have seen this actually, not on a laptop, but on a PowerMac G4 1 Ghz box that I was working on at work, with flash and video crashing it, oddly enough. This has occurred on youtube, and VLC. So to me this problem isn't odd...
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It still shouldn't be happening. shouldn't be possible, even if it's happening on every single Mac. Somethings defective, whether something about the OS, or the hardware.
 
Wolfpup said:
That is really weird. Anyone have an idea how that's even possible? It should be totally impossible for Flash to bring down the OS!
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Yeah, as great as OSX is it can still be brought down by something like Flash... Flash is pretty heavily integrated in the system from a third party perspective if you think about it, so I'm not hugely surprised it is capable of this.


compuguy1088 said:
I have seen this actually, not on a laptop, but on a PowerMac G4 1 Ghz box that I was working on at work, with flash and video crashing it, oddly enough. This has occurred on youtube, and VLC. So to me this problem isn't odd...
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Well I haven't seen terribly many threads on MacRumors about it and even if that's no brilliant indication of the market at large, I think it's pretty good. All up I'd say this is still quite a rare problem. :)
 
mad jew said:
Yeah, as great as OSX is it can still be brought down by something like Flash... Flash is pretty heavily integrated in the system from a third party perspective if you think about it, so I'm not hugely surprised it is capable of this.
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How though? Why? There's no possible way Flash could bring down Windows. It can crash a browser. But the whole OS? Shouldn't be possible on any modern OS. Flash shouldn't be doing ANYTHING on a system level.

I'm a bit worried about this (just ordered a new MBP...) because there's something seriously wrong with OS X if Flash can honestly lock up the entire system (ie so that you can't even bring up the thingee to force kill the browser or something like that).

I'm not crazy about Flash period, just because it makes a browser waste soooo much CPU time doing nothing, and is mainly used for ads. I'd love the ability to easily selectively enable/disable it! But either way, this isn't OS 9 or Windows 95. There's NO WAY any modern system should be touched by Flash, and I have NEVER seen a Windows machine in any way hurt by Flash (or a Mac either, but I haven't spent nearly as much time on one in the last 5 years).
 
mad jew said:
Are you saying Flash doesn't and cannot bring Windows down?
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Yes, of course that's what I'm saying. It's completely impossible for Flash to bring down a modern OS. There's something horribly wrong with OS X if it's honestly being killed by Flash (and it's not just that people don't realize they can force quit their browser or something).

The only conceivable way I can see it happening is really poorly written video drivers or something like that.

This whole thing makes me nervous about the MBP I have on order. I'd cancel it if I actually thought it was happening, although I guess a large part of me just thinks no one tried brining up the force quit menu or something.
 
Wolfpup said:
although I guess a large part of me just thinks no one tried brining up the force quit menu or something.
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Well, in my case, I did. It was my first reaction, and nothing came of it:(
 
Wolfpup said:
That's really disturbing then. There really is some flaw with OS X :eek: (unless, hopefully, it was some hardware problem...)
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Well, no, because it stopped after I deleted (fully) Flash, and then reinstalled it.
 
CalBoy said:
Well, no, because it stopped after I deleted (fully) Flash, and then reinstalled it.
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Doesn't matter. Whatever was wrong with Flash, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for a modern OS to be taken down by it. If it really is in any circumstances, and it's not a hardware flaw, then there's a serious flaw with either a driver, or OS X itself.
 
Wolfpup said:
Doesn't matter. Whatever was wrong with Flash, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for a modern OS to be taken down by it. If it really is in any circumstances, and it's not a hardware flaw, then there's a serious flaw with either a driver, or OS X itself.
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Actually, I was refering to the fact that it wasn't a hardware flaw:p But yes, it is a problem if you say Flash can't bring down Windows.
 
CalBoy said:
Actually, I was refering to the fact that it wasn't a hardware flaw:p But yes, it is a problem if you say Flash can't bring down Windows.
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I'm not sure what you mean, but Flash can't bring down Windows. It shouldn't be able to bring down OS X, or any other modern OS.
 
Wolfpup said:
I'm not sure what you mean,
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Wolfpup said:
(unless, hopefully, it was some hardware problem...)
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I was answering this part of your post, not the first part (I hope this is what you're talking about. If not, we need to get on the same page fast!).

Wolfpup said:
but Flash can't bring down Windows. It shouldn't be able to bring down OS X, or any other modern OS.
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Right, then it is a real problem. I had never known this about Windows and Flash, so you've taught me something:)
 
CalBoy said:
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Right, then it is a real problem. I had never known this about Windows and Flash, so you've taught me something:)
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It's the reason we run modern operation systems-applications can crash, but they can't take down the OS. Windows 98 or OS 9 could have been tanked by Flash, but that should be completely 100% impossible on OS X or Windows (baring serious driver bugs or defective hardware).

This is maybe silly, but this (along with other reservations I'm having) has me wondering if I should cancel my MBP order :eek:
 
Wolfpup said:
Doesn't matter. Whatever was wrong with Flash, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for a modern OS to be taken down by it.
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What color is the sky in your world?

XP has the "blue screen of death" and OSX has "panics". I'm sure Vista has something but I've never used it.

Those are three of the top rated modern OS' and all have an official name for when they go down.
 
Wolfpup said:
It's the reason we run modern operation systems-applications can crash, but they can't take down the OS. Windows 98 or OS 9 could have been tanked by Flash, but that should be completely 100% impossible on OS X or Windows (baring serious driver bugs or defective hardware).

This is maybe silly, but this (along with other reservations I'm having) has me wondering if I should cancel my MBP order :eek:
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I've had Photoshop totally freeze a fully patched Windows XP SR2 box - nothing, no keyboard, no mouse, squat. I was working at a client's premises and had to call their tech guy; he didn't seem surprised and turned it off using the power button.

Your MBP will be fine ;)
 
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