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macrumors regular
Original poster
Jul 15, 2006
Okay I have to cry uncle. I had an Apple TV A8 before 2017. In 2016, I began shifting away from Apple to become platform agnostic. In the last year I began coming back to Apple because using non Apple devices left me wishing everyone else would make things as well as Apple did.

When I bought my 4K TV in 2017, I bought a Roku Streaming Stick + to go with it. It was great until the 9.0 software update when it became buggy and unusable (video/audio coming out of sync and severe interface lagginess). I got fed up and replaced it with a Chromecast with Google TV when those came out. Less than a year later, it has become unusable due to the paltry 4 GB of storage and Android’s heinous caching mechanism. I had nothing irregular installed — just my streaming service apps — which you would think wouldn’t take up a load of space since they’re streaming. Well, no. They cached so much data I would get errors trying to launch my apps saying the app needed an update. And when I’d go to update the app I would get another error saying there was not enough space to update the app itself. So in other words, nothing was updating and I was none the wiser until it wouldn’t run. And how do you fix this kind of situation besides clearing cache app by app? Uninstall one of the eight apps you had installed until the one you want is able to update. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

So I gave in and went back to an Apple TV 4K (A12). Both of us in our house have commented not just on how much more clean the UI is but also how we didn’t realize how crummy the video and audio quality was on the Chromecast (its been too long since I used the Roku to offer a fair comparison). The Apple TV has offered crisper audio and video and the iPhone based color calibration seems to have enhanced the picture quality slightly (color range particularly) on our TV.

So I call uncle and admit it. $179 seemed outrageous for a streaming box. But when everything cheaper is compromising the video and audio quality and won’t update after installing just a few apps, well, I own it. You get what you pay for.

You win, Apple. You win.


macrumors 603
Nov 9, 2015
Silicon Valley, CA
What I like about it versus built-in TV OSs, such as web-OS, Tizen, Android, is that it is always being modernized. Even the older HD/4K models are still being updated to newer and newer tvOS versions, along with apps. To use a example Samsung just disables apps that no longer work with their stale older Tizen OS's.

Here is a Apple discussion you might find useful

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macrumors 65816
Nov 9, 2013
I currently have the Apple TV 4K 2017, Fire TV Cube 2nd gen, Roku Ultra 2017, and my Sony Bravia has Android TV 9 on it. The ATV is my favorite and the one I use for 90% of what I watch. Three exceptions are the Youtube app when the videos are 4K HDR, and Amazon Prime videos and recorded OTA TV which I record with my Fire Recast. I use the Fire TV Cube 2nd gen for those three exceptions. I no longer have the Roku plugged in, it collects dust these days. The Android TV built into my TV is okay, but I prefer using the ATV or Fire TV boxes. Apple could do a lot to improve it via FW updates, but the ATV is definitely the best of those four options in most cases.
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macrumors 68000
Feb 14, 2003
SF Bay area
Just got the latest ATV 4K after the update to replace something so old I’m not sure what it was. V3? In addition to the features listed above I really like using AirPods Pro with this. It helps a lot when others are around but not watching.


macrumors G3
Mar 29, 2008
Also, I use Siri on the remote control all the time. I could never switch to a non-Siri system at this point.

Conversely, I could never switch from my Harmony Elite remote (RIP, Logitech's remote division!) and endure multiple remotes ever again. I have two of the new Apple TV 4Ks, and the Siri remotes are still in the boxes!


macrumors 6502
Apr 16, 2020
Conversely, I could never switch from my Harmony Elite remote (RIP, Logitech's remote division!) and endure multiple remotes ever again. I have two of the new Apple TV 4Ks, and the Siri remotes are still in the boxes!
Yeah I never use Siri; I need to get a Harmony remote soon
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