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I don't think that Apple actually does any "protesting" about that, but simply provide the facts:
High Sierra is not natively supported, and won't boot to the stock installer for High Sierra.
Yes, there's methods to get around that by hacking the installer, and I'm guessing you found out how to do that!
Did you have any questions about that?
High Sierra is not natively supported, and won't boot to the stock installer for High Sierra.
Yes, there's methods to get around that by hacking the installer, and I'm guessing you found out how to do that!
Did you have any questions about that?
Protestation refers to the FACT that Apple claimed that the Ram & OSX upgrades were incompatible. In the USA in the 1950's this was was called built-in-obsolescence. Perhaps this helps to explain why they are so profitable. Apple do not deal in facts, only myths.
[doublepost=1510871326][/doublepost]Protestation refers to the FACT that Apple claimed that the Ram & OSX upgrades were incompatible. In the USA in the 1950's this was was called built-in-obsolescence. Perhaps this helps to explain why they are so profitable. Apple do not deal in facts, only myths.
Yes. I agree.
Apple says 4GB max for that model, which was certainly accurate at that time. The 4GB sticks either did not exist at the time of the release of that model, or Apple, for whatever reason, never tested that model with 4GB sticks. Apple typically does not update the system specifications, so the fact that larger amounts of RAM have been tested by others, and works, still does not mean that Apple supports that upgrade.
I'm glad that you found that 8GB also works for you. It is not unusual for Apple to "under-spec" the RAM slots. Over the history of the Mac, some models (not all) have been shown to support larger amounts of RAM, despite Apple's original specifications.
It's to your advantage to discover those details, and make use of them. It's all good when you discover that you can upgrade your hardware, and get another year or two out of old hardware.
Typically, OS X upgrades on un-supported models may have hardware issues with that upgrade. As Apple drops support for older Mac models, they ALSO tend to drop the internal driver support for part of the hardware that may only exist on obsolete models. That fact (not a myth, per se) may be more evident on some models than others.
The "fact" that you tweaked the installer to allow the install of High Sierra, does not mean that all the hardware drivers are, in fact, there. Everything that YOU do may be fine. That may not necessarily true for someone else, who may depend on parts of the hardware that Apple no longer supports in the operating system.
This, my friend, is simply time (and technology) moving forward, and not part of some sinister plan by Apple to force you to spend your money (to replace a 9-year-old system)
So, why not just take delight in the fact that you have a system with a new lease on life? You missed saying that you have upgraded to an SSD. If you still have a spinning hard drive, then the SSD is worth more than the RAM, or the macOS upgrade, combined.
(I know, the post is too long
)
Apple says 4GB max for that model, which was certainly accurate at that time. The 4GB sticks either did not exist at the time of the release of that model, or Apple, for whatever reason, never tested that model with 4GB sticks. Apple typically does not update the system specifications, so the fact that larger amounts of RAM have been tested by others, and works, still does not mean that Apple supports that upgrade.
I'm glad that you found that 8GB also works for you. It is not unusual for Apple to "under-spec" the RAM slots. Over the history of the Mac, some models (not all) have been shown to support larger amounts of RAM, despite Apple's original specifications.
It's to your advantage to discover those details, and make use of them. It's all good when you discover that you can upgrade your hardware, and get another year or two out of old hardware.
Typically, OS X upgrades on un-supported models may have hardware issues with that upgrade. As Apple drops support for older Mac models, they ALSO tend to drop the internal driver support for part of the hardware that may only exist on obsolete models. That fact (not a myth, per se) may be more evident on some models than others.
The "fact" that you tweaked the installer to allow the install of High Sierra, does not mean that all the hardware drivers are, in fact, there. Everything that YOU do may be fine. That may not necessarily true for someone else, who may depend on parts of the hardware that Apple no longer supports in the operating system.
This, my friend, is simply time (and technology) moving forward, and not part of some sinister plan by Apple to force you to spend your money (to replace a 9-year-old system)
So, why not just take delight in the fact that you have a system with a new lease on life? You missed saying that you have upgraded to an SSD. If you still have a spinning hard drive, then the SSD is worth more than the RAM, or the macOS upgrade, combined.
(I know, the post is too long
)
This, my friend, is simply time (and technology) moving forward, and not part of some sinister plan by Apple to force you to spend your money (to replace a 9-year-old system)
So, why not just take delight in the fact that you have a system with a new lease on life? You missed saying that you have upgraded to an SSD. If you still have a spinning hard drive, then the SSD is worth more than the RAM, or the macOS upgrade, combined.
(I know, the post is too long
Best post I've read all day!
Yes, I did change the original drive for a SSD. I also have a relatively new MBP. However, I am not sure that I would buy more Apple products in the future.Yes. I agree.
Apple says 4GB max for that model, which was certainly accurate at that time. The 4GB sticks either did not exist at the time of the release of that model, or Apple, for whatever reason, never tested that model with 4GB sticks. Apple typically does not update the system specifications, so the fact that larger amounts of RAM have been tested by others, and works, still does not mean that Apple supports that upgrade.
I'm glad that you found that 8GB also works for you. It is not unusual for Apple to "under-spec" the RAM slots. Over the history of the Mac, some models (not all) have been shown to support larger amounts of RAM, despite Apple's original specifications.
It's to your advantage to discover those details, and make use of them. It's all good when you discover that you can upgrade your hardware, and get another year or two out of old hardware.
Typically, OS X upgrades on un-supported models may have hardware issues with that upgrade. As Apple drops support for older Mac models, they ALSO tend to drop the internal driver support for part of the hardware that may only exist on obsolete models. That fact (not a myth, per se) may be more evident on some models than others.
The "fact" that you tweaked the installer to allow the install of High Sierra, does not mean that all the hardware drivers are, in fact, there. Everything that YOU do may be fine. That may not necessarily true for someone else, who may depend on parts of the hardware that Apple no longer supports in the operating system.
This, my friend, is simply time (and technology) moving forward, and not part of some sinister plan by Apple to force you to spend your money (to replace a 9-year-old system)
So, why not just take delight in the fact that you have a system with a new lease on life? You missed saying that you have upgraded to an SSD. If you still have a spinning hard drive, then the SSD is worth more than the RAM, or the macOS upgrade, combined.
(I know, the post is too long
The point of my original missive was to encourage others to explore ways of extending the useful life of Apple products given their wanton pursuit of bullt-in-obsolescence in support of increased profits. In a world of diminishing resources I do not think that this is responsible. The growth of Ifixit and other organisations that help to repair consumer goods in an effort to extend their life attest to this and promote sustainability.
Apple are the “masters of cool”. If confections of metal and plastic can be “sexy” then they have certainly achieved this transmutation with many of their products. However, they treat their customers with disdain.
They support their machines for 5-6 years that's more than the average life of a laptop. They support operating systems for a decade. In the fast changing world of computing that is more than acceptable. If you want to use old computers then do so, that is your prerogative either hack them as you have and deal with any issues or use older software.
Its not planned obsolescence, its real obsolescence the graphics in your 2008 are just not up to the job in many modern areas of computing, neither are the ports, the Bluetooth speed, the wireless card etc etc etc. Just because the CPU is still ok for many day to day computing activities doesn't mean apple should be bloating out their modern OS to support all these old technologies. Look what happened when Microsoft did that I certainly don't want an apple version of VISTA.
As to the world of diminishing resources Apples products are some of the most recyclable out there all made from aluminium and glass (and as they get thinner and lighter they use less of these resources too) as little plastic as possible, they use refurbished parts for repairs, are moving to all renewable energy where possible and they have very high ratings in all areas of sustainable manufacturing practice. However if you really care about the environment you'll use their recycle program on that old mac (they can probably make three retina macbooks with the aluminium in that and they'll be better computers) and use a brand new one with far better performance (more efficient) and much better for power consumption battery life etc, smaller ports smaller cables and connectors, better wireless less need for cables and other resource intensive older technologies.
Your argument is superficial and seemingly more just about ridiculous conspiracy theory than any real understanding of the issues.
Thats such an over-reaction I think you must be a personal injury lawyer.
Contrast that with my MBP which is 6yrs old yet is still supported on the latest OS version. Apples backwards testing clearly stops somewhere in the 6-9yr timeframe. Big. Deal. You machine actually works as you have found (well done!). The fact Apple haven't gone back and restated their specs on compatibility for the relatively few 2008 machines still in use is hardly a crime. Your jump to "wanton" and "protestations" doesn't do your argument any favours TBH.
Your original post didn't encourage anyone to do anything TBH, hence the puzzled first response.