OldTimers does buying an Intel Box Kinda make ya feel...dirty?

Discussion in 'iMac' started by michaelc, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. michaelc macrumors newbie

    Feb 9, 2008
    This is my first intel machine and I'm feelin kinda weird, Like maybe i've sold my soul or something.

    i guess i never thought it would come to this. That i buy a intel box?!!?

    yeah sure it's a mac, Its really kinda sad, i have tears in my eyes as i'm writing this.

    this is the end of an era.

    an old school mac head parts with his last True mac and buys a intel Mac Mini.

  2. Theatrics macrumors member

    Apr 1, 2007
    San Diego
  3. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump
    Running on x86 isn't that big of deal, however running Windows in either BootCamp or Parallels is a bit icky. Hearing the Windows bong from my MacBook Pro is just wrong.
  4. AlexisV macrumors 68000


    Mar 12, 2007
    Manchester, UK
    At least Intel have produced faster processors than AMD over the last few years. Remember when the Athlon was much faster than the early Pentium 4's?

    At least we don't see the stupid Intel inside logo or the silly chimes on ads.
  5. Lord Zedd macrumors 6502a

    Lord Zedd

    Oct 24, 2007
    Denver, Colorado
    Intel? Maybe in the next few years when PowerPC loses official support.
  6. arkitect macrumors 603


    Sep 5, 2005
    Bath, United Kingdom

    Or perhaps I just don't live my life in such cosmic terms of absolute good and evil? ;)
  7. gotzero macrumors 68040

    Jan 6, 2007
    Mid-Atlantic, US
    It make me fully switch to Apple.

    I bought a G5 when Emagic got bought by Apple because I liked Logic so much. I hated OSX at the time, and used the computer only for the single program.

    When they switched to Intel, I figured I could use Windows anyway, so I got an MBP. I started poking around with OSX more, and less than a year later, I have four macs and an iphone. I love the concept and the system. Before Intel, I would not even consider switching, but with the windows crutch, I was willing to give it a shot. No, the only thing running windows is my work laptop.
  8. yellow Moderator emeritus


    Oct 21, 2003
    Portland, OR
    I'm just thankful that there's no more G5 development. Man, those boxes are nothing but trouble!
  9. mslide macrumors 6502a

    Sep 17, 2007
    Does it really matter what kind of processor is in it? To me, it's a black box and I don't care how Apple makes it work, as long as it does.

    If anything, I'm glad they switched to Intel because it allows people the option of running Windows natively. I'm not saying I'd prefer to run Windows over OSX. It's just that there are some programs that I have to run in a windows environment, and doing so natively is nice. Now I don't ever have to keep a windows machine laying around.
  10. DesScorp macrumors newbie

    Feb 14, 2008
    On PPC chips...

    I'm a relative newbie to Macs (longtime Unix/Linux/Windows user), and I bought a used eMac a few months ago to get my feet wet, and I've come to admire the PPC architecture. And while IBM apparently isn't doing PC chip development, isn't Freescale supposed to be working on an evolution of the G4 core that's 64 bit and clocks at 3 ghz?

    BTW, my grandmother bought a really old bondi blue iMac G3, and I did a little research and installed OS 9 for her, and as I spent the weekend playing with it, I became incredibly sad...despite its instability, it was a beautiful and intuitive system, and I missed out on using it all those years...
  11. 0007776 Suspended


    Jul 11, 2006
    Did you feel this way too when you bought you first PPC mac and left the true Macs with the 68k processors?
  12. Phormic macrumors regular

    May 24, 2007
    I'm old enough to remember feeling dirty buying my first Power PC - because IBM was involved in its manufacture.
  13. speakerwizard macrumors 68000


    Aug 8, 2006
    i thought it would but once i heard it compared to my G5 power mac it felt right :)
  14. MAW macrumors regular

    Apr 29, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Why the Intel hate? What am I missing? What was so great about PPC?:confused:
  15. iMpathetic macrumors 68030


    Oct 7, 2007
    I've been using PPC and even 68K ever since I switched in the summer of 2007. Getting an intel mini in January made me feel dirty, so I traded it for a Powerbook. :( Of course, you're reading a thinkpad user's post, so I am gthe ultimate traitor. :mad:

    Yeesh, yes.
    Hey, you live 7 miles away from me! Another Tar Heel!
  16. MacClassic macrumors newbie

    Feb 11, 2008
    I feel incredibly dirty thinking about buying an Intel Mac. I'm still typing on my almost 3 yr old iMac G5 and don't really wanna let it go but I need the 24" screen and more horsepower for the stuff I'm doing. For those of you who never had a PPC, you wouldn't understand. I had a Vic 20, Commodore 64, Mac Classic, Performa 550, 6400, 6500, iMac G4 and now a G5. I'm waiting on Montevina before I pull the trigger
  17. hodgjy macrumors 6502

    Apr 15, 2005
    PPC was cool because it was RISC, which during the 1990s, was able to execute instructions faster due to lower hardware bottlenecks. Since then, Intel has integrated many "RISC"-like features into their processor line, including breaking up long instructions into a series of smaller ones during the execution process in addition to being able to handle many "RISC"-like instructions themselves.

    Processors evolve. I don't feel dirty at all. I just want the most horsepower for the dollar.
  18. michaelc thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 9, 2008
    I had an 840av (68040 and a 66mhz DSP processor) and i was resistant, but i felt if the platform was to survive the move to risc was important.

    I finally bought a powermac 7500. and I couldn't wait for it to arrive and didn't look back.

    but now the buss speeds and serial ata not mention to duo core processors, all add up to a good thing. I know my user experience will be improved.

    I think it's just taking a while to undo years of a certain way of thinking. example: wintel was the enemy (1984) and it was the brave bright free-thinkers that did not go the way of the lemmings.

    i guess i just had to go thru a little sadness for the changes brought on by time.

  19. inkswamp macrumors 68030


    Jan 26, 2003
    I bought my first Mac in 94 and had been using them for several years prior to that so I guess I qualify as an "old timer"--although at 39 years of age, I'm tending not to care much for that term anymore. :D

    Anyway, to answer: no, not at all. I haven't bought an Intel Mac yet, but I use them and support them where I work and nothing feels dirty about it. Then again, I'm not much for nostalgia. I love that Apple does nowadays whatever they need to do to keep pace. I was all for the abandonment of OS 9 and its way of doing things. I don't miss the smiley face Mac startup. I don't miss the old Apple menu. I don't miss Windowshade (did for a little bit, but that was mainly because I had relied on it for so much, not because of any sense of propriety.) Don't miss the Launcher, the Chooser, Extensions, tabbed/pop-up windows, desktop trash can... any of it. Those all had their day in the sun, just like the PPC, and that's gone.
  20. vansouza macrumors 68000


    Mar 28, 2006
    West Plains, MO USA Earth
    You should feel dirty, now dive in and enjoy the filth.... lovely Apple goodness.
  21. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    I miss the reliability! I think part of my problem is that I used a light lean OS (panther) on PPC, but a bloated resource hog called Tiger on my intel mac.. so naturally I prefer the PPC chips.. but it could just be the uniqueness of them too.
  22. Leon Kowalski macrumors 6502a

    Leon Kowalski

    Sep 20, 2007
    Gondwanaland Reunification Front HQ
    Apple went over to the dark side when they abandoned the 6502...

    ...RealProgrammers™ don't need more than 256 bytes of stack,

  23. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007
    Funny, a lot of people consider Jack Tramiel to be pure evil, and yet for years he not only owned the company that made the 6502, but used that ownership to his advantage by making his own competing computer that beat Apple in price hands-down thanks to his market manipulation. But we don't complain about that, do we? :)

    Maybe it's my cross-platformness, as I've been using Macs off and on since system 6.0.8 but really didn't consider myself a "switcher" till a year ago (mainly because at home I used a windows machine until the aftermath of Vista). And I'm pretty well versed with Windows, linux and Mac systems these days, on three different processor lines. So, call me agnostic, but I just don't get the whole processor-as-religion thing. By rights, people who are really hard core old-timer mac users should have been shreeking when OS X hit the scene, as it's really not an entirely Apple-only product. I mean, a command line terminal? *GASP!* What blasphemy!!

    Let's not forget WHY the switch was made: there were problems with the G5's heat generation and power consumption (ever seen a G5 iBook?), and the AIM alliance was slow to come up with the next suitable successor. Apple couldn't wait forever if it wanted to keep growing. And, the switch to Intel made running alternative OSes easier, for those so inclined. No matter what you think about Windows users, I think Apple would still be in a rough spot if it weren't for them, and if it weren't for the switch.

    People complain NOW about the MacBook Pro's heat. Imagine the scaldings people would get if it was PowerPC based? And forget about a MacBook Air. Love it or hate it, the MBA has earned Apple tons of attention.

    Nobody's sold their soul to anything. It's just a tiny pile of metal and silicon. All that's changed is how the metal bits are arranged and who's cutting the wafers. And anyway, it seems these days as though for all the hand-wringing people do about Intel, they sure do dance on command for Apple.
  24. michaelc thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 9, 2008
    In the old times we could of sharpened our swords for each other.


    You know, i've never thought of it in quite that way, thanks for pointing that out.

  25. inkswamp macrumors 68030


    Jan 26, 2003
    I'm curious why you haven't moved on to Leopard then. I run Tiger on an old G3 iBook (500Mhz) and its astonishing how responsive and fast it really is. Of course, I'm not editing video on it or doing heavy-duty design work, but for listening to music and surfing the web and email and all that, there's no lag or any noticeable problems which is remarkable for a 6-year-old Mac.

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