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Please, People.

I wish people would stop getting so hung up on the double-click mechanism. It has virtually nothing to do with multi-tasking. It is (a) the list of most recently used applications, (b) a shortcut to music controls, brightness and volume on iPad, and now the orientation lock (c) the latest in Apple's attempts to hide the means to shut down a rogue application.

You can still switch applications by going to the home screen and results are identical to using the double-click for quick switching. You don't need to teach an existing user the new gesture to switch apps. Frequent users might find it handy to get back to a recently-used application but it's just a shortcut and it doesn't actually guarantee that the application won't be launched from scratch. Incidentally, for those who continue to insist that this is somehow the multi-tasking interface you should note that if you have used a few heavy apps and are short on memory the list will likely contain applications that aren't open at all.

The music controls were available by double-tapping home in earlier releases of iOS already. You've always been able to adjust volume and skip tracks with other peripherals like Apple's headset with a built-in clicker. This is just another approach to the same thing and it's an option - with the exception of the orientation lock. Apple really should make that available elsewhere, like in the Settings application. Luckily it's a feature a lot of casual users never use.

As for quitting applications? Forget about it. Lots of Apple's apps stayed open in the background in 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 and you didn't give it a second thought. The means to kill them have changed (hold down the home button initially, then hold down home while the power switch is visible later, now you can do it from the recently used application list. You're still not supposed to need it, ever, if things are working properly.

I just don't get the angst. There is no good reason not to upgrade and there are plenty of good reasons to upgrade.
 
I don't get the reluctance to upgrade

I understand not upgrading if the upgrade causes unwanted changes. But going to 4.2.1 will cause absolutely no user interface changes that you need to use. After your upgrade to 4.2.1:

1. Don't put anything in folders.

2. Don't worry about multitasking or battery life (multitasking is really just a pause and quick restart except for a few types of apps, battery life shouldn't be much (if any) worse under 4.2.1 although I admit I haven't run any actual tests).

3. Don't tell them about double-click to access the currently running app section. For the cases people have described in this thread so far, they're not using the double-click anyway, so leave it alone.

4. OK you give up the orientation lock. For the cases people have described in this tread so far, just lock it in portrait mode for them once you've updated to 4.2.1 and leave it there forever.
 
So she knows how to use a 3.2 iPad just fine but Folders and multi-tasking are insurmountable to teach? Really?
 
I agree with the OP. I bought my 70 yr old non-techie mother an iPad and have no intention of updating it to 4.2. She knows exactly where all her apps are finally and can switch to them that way (quicker than I could by double-clicking swiping then tapping). If it ain't broke I'm not going to fix it for her. I think it depends on how "techie" they are. Because even when I'm 70 I'm going to want to know how things work under the surface & control them. But even way back when my mother was 40 she didn't want to know HOW things worked, she just wanted them to. The Steve Jobs mindset.

And updating to 4.2 would change what? All of her apps would still be in the same place, she could still just use a single click of the home button to switch apps, she would never have to use the multitasking bar to close apps, and there would be no change in battery life. So again I ask? What would change? Other than apps losing compatibility in the future?

Sorry to pick on you, nothing personal, just a good example to make my point:p
 
And updating to 4.2 would change what? All of her apps would still be in the same place, she could still just use a single click of the home button to switch apps, she would never have to use the multitasking bar to close apps, and there would be no change in battery life. So again I ask? What would change? Other than apps losing compatibility in the future?

Sorry to pick on you, nothing personal, just a good example to make my point:p

How's that not reason enough?
 
Agreed. My 2 year old son knows how to unlock my iPhone, get to the Netflix app (it's in a folder) and play a show he likes. Seriously.

Not the same thing at all. Young children learn new things quickly. Older folks have more difficulty adapting to changes. Some not as much as others, but trust me, if anyone gets old enough, even if you are Einstein, you'll have difficulty learning new things.

just lock it in portrait mode for them once you've updated to 4.2.1 and leave it there forever.

But some apps work better in portrait, and others work better in landscape. Sometimes even within a single app, you want to switch from landscape to portrait depending on the content you are looking at. And once you have the iPad in an orientation you want, you don't want it to shift. I use the switch all the time -- I open a webpage in Safari, find I want to read it in portrait, I flick the switch, rotate, flick it again to lock it. I then open another page, find it works better in landscape, so I flick the switch again.

Now that I'm thinking about it, this might be more important for people with coordination difficulties, because we tend to make sudden involuntary movements that shift the iPad orientation when not wanted. Possibly doesn't seem as crucial to most able-bodied folks. And as already mentioned, double-clicking can be difficult for motion-impaired people, so yes, for us, having a physical orientation lock switch can be more important than multitasking and folders.
 
I agree with the OP. Multitasking has been confusing for a few people that I know, including my wife :eek:.

I was thinking that it would be useful if we could disable it ourselves with some setting.
 
Not the same thing at all. Young children learn new things quickly. Older folks have more difficulty adapting to changes. Some not as much as others, but trust me, if anyone gets old enough, even if you are Einstein, you'll have difficulty learning new things.
Granted but you're not giving the elderly enough credit. It make take them a bit longer to remember how to do something but they can learn if they're willing and are in good health.

Heck, if I had the money I'd buy my 80 year old grandmother an iPad, set it up for her and she'd have no problem using it and I'd get a lot more email from her as a result. Would I upgrade it for her? You bet, simply to maintain compatibility. That's the sole reason really.

I can understand if someone has a disability or is having physical/mental difficulties because of age. That's entirely a different topic though.
 
I agree with the OP. Multitasking has been confusing for a few people that I know, including my wife :eek:.

I was thinking that it would be useful if we could disable it ourselves with some setting.

How could it possibly be confusing? Unless the app is SPECIFICALLY designed to do something in the background, they do nothing and get dumped from memory when necessary. You do NOT need to close any "background" apps. Don't over think it.
 
Yeah, honestly this line of thinking makes no sense. Multi-tasking requires no thought from the end user. Those of us who like to manage things can close apps if we like, but it's in no way required. Nor is it required to double click to activate it. Just the fact that more apps will not have to restart every time you leave them is reason enough to upgrade. Battery life difference is negligible. Heck, I leave Pandora streaming over Airplay for hours and use up only a few percent battery.
 
I've been told the pr0n channels on filmon.com won't work with 4.2.

So ... don't do it man; let the old folks hold on to what little jolly they've got left.
 
There is no reason to rush into 4.2.1 but as others pointed out, you probably will find yourself limited in what apps you can install, and who knows what security issues may surface that Apple patches in future updates. It's really hard to stay behind in the Apple universe. But no need to rush into 4.2.1 just yet.
 
Clarification sought

But some apps work better in portrait, and others work better in landscape. Sometimes even within a single app, you want to switch from landscape to portrait depending on the content you are looking at. And once you have the iPad in an orientation you want, you don't want it to shift. I use the switch all the time -- I open a webpage in Safari, find I want to read it in portrait, I flick the switch, rotate, flick it again to lock it. I then open another page, find it works better in landscape, so I flick the switch again.

I'm trying hard to not argue with you, I legitimately do not understand your objection. I thought your original thesis was that the orientation lock under 4.2.1 was significantly more difficult for old people than under 3.2 (3.2 uses the physical switch, 4.2.1 uses the double-click, swipe, tap). I agree with that.

Your note above indicates that you prefer the 3.2 method to the 4.2.method for yourself (not necessarily for old people). That's great, I used the physical orientation lock under 3.2 all the time as well. Just don't upgrade to 4.2.1 ever. Or upgrade to 4.2.1 and search for an application that changes the physical switch from the mute to the orientation lock (I'm not sure if these even exist, or if you'd need to jailbreak). You can still upgrade your old people friends to 4.2.1 and follow my advice in my earlier post.

If you want:
1) 4.2.1;
2) for old people; and
3) that uses portrait or landscape depending on the content,
then either:
1) you leave the old people with 3.2 (which was your original conclusion); or
2) you should upgrade the old people to 4.2.1 and find the app that changes the physical switch from mute to orientation lock.
 
I'm trying hard to not argue with you, I legitimately do not understand your objection. I thought your original thesis was that the orientation lock under 4.2.1 was significantly more difficult for old people than under 3.2 (3.2 uses the physical switch, 4.2.1 uses the double-click, swipe, tap). I agree with that.

Your note above indicates that you prefer the 3.2 method to the 4.2.method for yourself (not necessarily for old people).

Well, I'm just assuuming that my elderly acquaintance probably uses the iPad in much the same way I do, and the things I find convenient, he'll find convenient also. Plus, since I have muscular coordination problems, a lot of things that elder people find difficult, like the double-click, I also find difficult myself.

And I did update and jailbreak my iPad at 4.2.1 the moment the 4.2.1 jailbreak came out, and installed the mod that changes the switch back to orientation lock. However, jailbroken iDevices are more high-maintenance than stock ones, and I don't visit my acquaitance often enouch to feel comfortable with leaving him with a jailbroken device.
 
How could it possibly be confusing? Unless the app is SPECIFICALLY designed to do something in the background, they do nothing and get dumped from memory when necessary. You do NOT need to close any "background" apps. Don't over think it.

Well I guess you provided an answer to your own question!! Apps that run in the background kill the battery. :rolleyes: No "over thinking" needed!!

Actually, if an App that has been left open is "dumped" from memory ... it's actually no longer in the background. The fact is that, when you have lots of apps "on hold" in the background, they take up memory and prevent other apps from running properly. I've tried to open my GPS software and it has told me that turn-by-turn voice notices are not available because there is not enough memory available. So, after closing the apps that were suspended, it worked fine. Problems like these would not occur before multitasking.

Personally, I love multitasking .... I'm just stating the fact that I know people who have been confused by multitasking and things were easier for them before the update.

Glad to hear that you are not having any issues!!!

:D
 
Actually, if an App that has been left open is "dumped" from memory ... it's actually no longer in the background. The fact is that, when you have lots of apps "on hold" in the background, they take up memory and prevent other apps from running properly. I've tried to open my GPS software and it has told me that turn-by-turn voice notices are not available because there is not enough memory available. So, after closing the apps that were suspended, it worked fine. Problems like these would not occur before multitasking.

That sounds odd, I would have thought that iOS would have just closed the same suspended Apps that you closed manually. It could be that there is a bug in your sat-nav App where it doesn't give iOS enough time to clear memory out before it decides to disable the voice notices.

While I agree that multitasking introduces a few more wrinkles that didn't exist before I think that the trade-off is worthwhile. A user could ignore the multitasking bar and just carry on as before and 99% of the time I think that they would just see the benefits (faster App switching, background music, up/downloads that don't stop when you exit an App)
 
I'm waiting on upgrading my parent's iPad for many of the same reasons. Plus I already have seen a couple of the apps they use not work properly with 4.2 yet and many of the others they use haven't been updated to support the new features anyway. As more apps get fixed and/or updated to support multitasking/fast loading then I'll probably upgrade them.

I upgraded both of my parents iPads last week and other than the default wallpaper changing, neither one of them knows anything different. Granted, there is the occasional button different in email or another option in bookmarks within Safari but I basically upgraded the units, handed them back to them and they've been busy working away. The upgrade is a real no brainer.
 
I upgraded my mothers iPad a few days ago. I organized all her apps into folders. Went from six screens of apps to one. I didnt even bother trying to explain the navigation bar to her. She doesn't need it at all. She doesn't have GPS apps or Pandora, so she doesn't need to use the device any differently.

I did get her a new HP wireless printer. She can now print out all the pictures that she has been storing on her iPad. The new OS is a huge improvement.
 
I got my dad an iPad for his 75th birthday.

I considered not updating it for the reasons you mentioned, but app compatibility issues made me reconsider.

I didn't tell him what I was doing, and as far as I know, he hasn't discovered the multitasking or folders (and I doubt he will since he doesn't even know how to move icons around).
So far, it hasn't been an issue.

Most of the people whos iPhone 4s I have my hands on don't seem to be closing their apps either, so I don't guess it really matters as far as battery life goes
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned a huge reason not to upgrade... loss of 3G! Those of you with 3G iPads will likely find yourselves with a very slow 3G connection (if you can get a 3G connection) or be stuck on Edge (like I and many others are). Check the Apple forum to see just how widespread this problem is.

Can't believe Apple let a serious flaw like this one get through!
 
I got my dad an iPad for his 75th birthday.

I considered not updating it for the reasons you mentioned, but app compatibility issues made me reconsider.

I didn't tell him what I was doing, and as far as I know, he hasn't discovered the multitasking or folders (and I doubt he will since he doesn't even know how to move icons around).
So far, it hasn't been an issue.

Most of the people whos iPhone 4s I have my hands on don't seem to be closing their apps either, so I don't guess it really matters as far as battery life goes

Your dad IS closing his apps every time he hits the home button (unless he is running one of the few types of apps that actually runs in the background). There is a lot of confusion about how multitasking works.
 
As the starter of this thread, I was just hoping to get reasons as to why updating the OS would be "necessary" as opposed to just doing it for the mostly un-needed benefits (at least in MY case with the senior citizen who is using it). Future compatibility with apps is the only reason that I can see so far. Everyone is mentioning that having multiple apps open at that same time isn't really a battery drain. If someone who doesn't really have the consistent wherewithal to be "double-click, multi-tasking" savvy, this might be another issue they could run into.....

http://www.cultofmac.com/solve-low-memory-warnings-on-ios-4-2-1-for-ipad-how-to/71424#more-71424

Like I said, I'm not against 4.2, I'm just trying to avoid those long phone calls having to explain why they have to go through the process of closing the apps!
 
Like all upgrades, you can run but you can't hide. You can certainly delay upgrading but at some point you probably will need to do it - if for nothing more than continued app support and app updates. I also find it is better to take baby steps. Now that my parents are already used to 4.2, 4.3 should be less of a big deal.
 
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