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Discussion in 'iPhone' started by patrickdunn, Jul 13, 2009.
"Verizon to its smartphones: thou shalt have no other app store before mine"
If they'll even allow users to "download" the other app store onto their phone, that'll be a big step for Verizon. The last Verizon phone I had couldn't even record voice memos anymore, because of the ability to assign a recorded voice memo as a ringtone, and thus the loss of the $3 from their pocket.
I have a feeling Steve will use the same line with Verizon that he used with Cingular back in the day - we're doing it our way on our phone, or you're not getting this sexy piece of tech that millions of people will want.
He did it once, he can do it again.
I was just about to post this but yea if Verizon has this type of attitude they will never get the iPhone. Everyone keeps talking about how great Verizon is but for years they have been pulling this type of crap. AT&T is far from perfect but at least they don't try to pull this kind of crap.
The main reason for Apple would be that almost every country in the world uses GSM and UMTS-frequencies, the USA would be the only country where there's a market for a CDMA iPhone, I don't think Apple is interested into developing a second CDMA iPhone.
From what I remember, Verizon was the early lead contender for the iPhone when Apple was shopping around in part because of the widespread EVDO network, but lost to Cingular (now AT&T) because they wouldn't give up enough software control/GUI design weight.
It came through the rumor mill, but it's what was posted around.
Verizon will probably get the iPhone in the US but not using CDMA. It'll be a 4G network.
CDMA is a waste of time anywhere but the US whereas 4G is going to be the next network and is being rolled out in many international markets.
Strange post, especially considering Apple's own tight control.
"Apple to its smartphones: thou shalt have no other app store before mine"
The huge difference, of course, is that Verizon lets users download the other app stores to a smartphone if they wish. They don't lock people in like Apple does.
Apparently you've only owned dumbphones.
Anyone can download any app, or ringtone, or theme that they want on a Verizon smartphone.
Uh, yeah. He DID do that. He went to Verizon FIRST. They turned Apple down.
It's proof that Verizon cripples there phones. Verizon would want to lock that down. I am pretty sure they will not allow jailbroken iPhones. They would want Gps disabled to their monthly costs.
Believe me people if Verizon gets the iPhone you will not want it.
Please help me understand how apple differs from what you had posted
With the apple store there are free apps allowed. With verizons store show me a website where I can signup to develop apps.
I hope t-mobile gets it. I hate VZ with a passion + my house is a VZ deadspot. I've endured them for too long.
Did you even read the article? Or just the headlines?
Verizon will include their own app store. That's all. They're not blocking anyone else's.
So if you want to download free (or paid) apps from Verizon or anyplace else, you can still do so.
I don't think this can be hammered home enough. Creating a second iPhone line would mean less profit per phone. The problem for Verizon is even when it gets a 4G network, the legacy networks will be incompatible with the AT&T legacy networks. Just imagine if the iPhone 3GS would ONLY work in 3G areas and not in EDGE areas. Yikes.
How did you come to that conclusion?
That's like saying having more than one iPod model means less profit per iPod. Or having more than one laptop model is a bad idea. Makes no sense.
Having a second iPhone factory line could be just as profitable as having one.
That statement is inaccurate.
In my opinion, verizon has the worst phone selection. They also have over 85 million customers... This sounds like a recipe for the iPhone to be a great hit if it were to go to verizon.
No. Those iPods can be used anywhere in the world. The CDMA iPhone can't. It would be like making an iPod just for the USA, actually not even the whole USA, just certain Americans. Same with the laptops. They can be used anywhere as well.
I see where you were coming from but the comparison is null.
I believe the Blackberry Tour works on both CDMA and GSM networks. Is there a reason why this technology couldn't be applied to the iPhone?
Ah, but you've fallen prey to the usual bogus assumption that sales in the rest of the world justify having only a GSM model.
As has been pointed out in other threads, only a tiny percentage (less than 1%) of available GSM customers outside the USA get an iPhone... whereas almost 10% of ATT customers do. The major buyer market, percentage wise, is clearly the USA at this time.
If 10% of CDMA customers in North America got an iPhone, that would be 13 million sales of a single model, or as many as ALL iPhone models have sold overseas since day one.
Heck, even if only 6% bought one, it'd still be as many as ATT has ever sold.
You mean like what RIM (Blackberry) and Palm have done for YEARS?
This isn't anything new. This is the only reason why Apple wouldn't make a Verizon iPhone. Apple went to Verizon first, but Verizon wouldn't let Apple do their own thing. Now that Verizon has seen a glimpse of what the iPhone can bring them, they're much more likely to allow the iPhone on their network.
Can't blame them. After all, Apple was trying to get Verizon to sell what what must have sounded like a very crippled, non-consumer friendly, feature phone:
Apple didn't want to sell through Best Buy or other Verizon partners.
Apple wanted to sell it without 3G support to get a cheaper data plan.
Apple didn't want to allow third party apps.
Apple didn't want to allow subsidies.
Plus Verizon never even saw a prototype. What were they to think? That Apple would come up with a best selling ROKR II ?
But now all those above restrictions are gone. Interesting.
I wonder why Cingular didn't think of this when accepting the iPhone.
Idk, I just like that fact that I can take my sim card out of my iPhone and pu it in another phone if I wanted to which I can't do with verizon. That is one reason why I wouldn't even want a verison phone...
Now that makes it a lot more clear. The iPod argument is still null I think since they are pretty much universal where as two different types of iPhones would be needed to work on both types of networks.
You do make a great, and educated, point about the amount of iPhones that have the potential to be sold if they are CDMA ready.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what Apple decides to do with their billions and billions of profits.
Fully agree. But now that Verizon has seen the beast that is the iPhone, my belief is that they'd think differently were Apple to approach them again.
I think Verizon were worried about the branding as well. Verizon brands all of the phones with the Verizon logo, and puts their LAME UI on most of them (they'll usually leave the smartphones alone).