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One of the many reasons I hate people.

I thought battery was a criminal offense and would have to have both the police and court support. And that is where the problem lies. As we have seen here too many people think that this sort of thing is a "right of passage" or "children will be children". We need to change the laws at which "children" are charged as adults, so their criminal behavior will follow them for the rest of their lives.

It is about time that we get the enforcement for the laws that are on the books. Just look at our roadways. They are a mess because people believe that nothing will happen to them...
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
I thought battery was a criminal offense and would have to have both the police and court support. And that is where the problem lies. As we have seen here too many people think that this sort of thing is a "right of passage" or "children will be children". We need to change the laws at which "children" are charged as adults, so their criminal behavior will follow them for the rest of their lives.

It is about time that we get the enforcement for the laws that are on the books. Just look at our roadways. They are a mess because people believe that nothing will happen to them...
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Yes, it's so annoying to hear 15 or 16 year olds who commit crimes, knowing that their slate will be wiped clean when they're 18. I think that the original intent of that was to keep everyone from being criminals, since when kids are young they tend to do a few, small bad things, like petty theft. But this goes beyond that. These kids are taking advantage of a system intended to protect them. I don't agree that the solution is to try them as adults, since we definitely don't want them learning to be better criminals inside adult prisons, but there should be some ammendment where bad enough crimes stay on their record after 18, even though they're tried as minors.

Send out a clear message: we know you're old enough to know better about things this bad, so no hiding behind your mommy, it's time to take responsibility!
 
MarkCollette said:
Yes, it's so annoying to hear 15 or 16 year olds who commit crimes, knowing that their slate will be wiped clean when they're 18. I think that the original intent of that was to keep everyone from being criminals, since when kids are young they tend to do a few, small bad things, like petty theft. But this goes beyond that. These kids are taking advantage of a system intended to protect them. I don't agree that the solution is to try them as adults, since we definitely don't want them learning to be better criminals inside adult prisons, but there should be some ammendment where bad enough crimes stay on their record after 18, even though they're tried as minors.

Send out a clear message: we know you're old enough to know better about things this bad, so no hiding behind your mommy, it's time to take responsibility!
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Maybe it is time for us to have prisons that are in-between then. The threat of having it on ones record is not enough if they know that that when they are 18 they are out on the streets.

Maybe "prison" high schools and colleges.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Maybe it is time for us to have prisons that are in-between then. The threat of having it on ones record is not enough if they know that that when they are 18 they are out on the streets.

Maybe "prison" high schools and colleges.
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Where I live, in Alberta, I believe there are jails of varying security for minors. Does not an equivalent exist where you are?

I agree with it being tied to education, so these kids will at least have high school done when they get out. Plus, it probably keeps them a bit busy, so they have less time to get into trouble in the jail.
 
Wow. There's a similar problem of bullying here in Korea. I guess it's a universal problem. Now that my kids are getting older (2 and a half and 14 months), I have to start to think about kindergarten. The thought of someone bullying my kid is just not cool. At about $20,000 per year for kindergarten, a private international school is out of the question. If they attend regular public school, I'm worried that the "mixed" comments might start to fly. That post about the pre-schooler getting beat up really hit home.

Dros, that computer simulation sounds like something from Michael Crichton's novel, Prey.

agreenster, that was an interesting blurb about the "other cheek" quote. I'm actually surprised that nobody mentioned the "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" one.

MarkCollette, I found your post very intriguing and, obviously, well thought out. How are the schools in Alberta anyway? I'm thinking about moving there one of these years. (Go Flames!)

Squire
 
If you're sending your kids to a Korean school, I don't really think you should worry. They probably don't know the "mix" difference at such a young age. Its really like any situation where say, for example, a black kid goes to a school predominantly white, or Chinese. Once they see that your kids are like everyone else, it'll be cool. This doesn't mean that there won't be one racist kid who isn't mature enough to know better. There was one kid like that for me, as a chinese kid who spent K-8 in a jewish school, living in a Jewish neighbourhoood.

Your kids will learn to deal with it. I did, and so will they. One kid that bugs your kids alot will probably make your kids more tolerant of dumb people. :)

Alberta is awesome. Canada is generally an awesome place. Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world, so I rarely have a problem with race. :) Slightly larger problem in Oz. I can't say this for sure, but I get this gut feeling sometimes, y'know? There are lots of Asian people here, but they don't assimilate well. People seem tired/frustrated of "their broken English", not that its anyone's fault for trying to learn a 2nd/3rd language. How many languages do they know? Oz doesn't even have a 2nd language!! Dealing with this race shyte full time.......there's a first time for everything.
 
The principal has now admitted her staff did not call police, did not interview potential witnesses, and did not conduct a proper investigation.

"He shouldn't come back in school. I should be in school taking my education and it's not fair," said Glowczewski.

The interim principal at Martin Luther King Middle School declined an on-camera interview, but said her staff made serious mistakes in this case and that she will offer Glowczewski and her family a summer school program and transportation.

Meanwhile, both Mark Stevens, the spokesman for Denver Public Schools, and the superintendent declined to discuss the case or DPS policy for dealing with such issues. That seems to be the same response Glowczewski's parents got when they complained to the administration
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Just the fact that the principle didn't call police in my mind is basis for criminal action alone. And from the "Martin Luther King MIddle School"
How would Martin Luther have reacted to an attack on a black student? This is injustice at it's PC worst. A physically handicapped individual being persecuted and then made the perp, and told to stay home!! My God what is our society coming to?? I can't find the words to describe my absolute astonishment in this affair. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
My buddy and I saw three or four kids beating up on a larger kid yesterday on the way home from work. As we got closer, we noticed that the bigger kid was "mentally challenged" (or whatever the politically correct term is this year). Fuming, I pulled a U-turn on the other side of the intersectuion and circled back. The little punks had already taken off on the bus. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Oh, and Abstract, thanks for your optimism. I'm not really interested in Toronto but it's good to hear that you had few problems nonetheless. (Something to keep in the back of my mind when it comes to moving back to the western world.)

Squire
 
Even as an adult, if I ever see 4 kids beating up one disabled kid, I'd run and grab one of those kids -- yes, only one -- and throw him around. I'd make him the example, and let his friends either run off, or watch what I do to his friend. Joy. I'd probably give them a lecture as I did it. I'd compare what they did to the handicap person, and what I'm about to do to their friend, and ask them why this hurts to watch when watching a disabled person being hit obviously doesn't? It shouldn't make a difference whether they're friends or not.....its not fun watching anybody getting beat up.
 
This is Indeed Unfortunate...

MongoTheGeek said:
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I went to a Jr High with much the same name. I got beat up and teased. I got asked to leave at the end of the school year and jack happened to the people who beat me up.
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... I feel for that girl, and hope all turns out well.

HOWEVER, MongoTheGeek:

Please change that awful avatar: it is sickening.

Change it or I will beat you up once more so you can relive your school yard past....


That was sarcasm... but on a lighter note, that avatar is somewhat...
 
Here's a working link to the video: http://www.thewbalchannel.com/video/3348428/detail.html


Now, I have social issues, but they were much worse in my elementary, as there both the students and some of the teachers there "bullied"/triggered me. Since then, they've gotten about 80% better. But, my point is: Whether it be a mental or physical disability, let the individual learn without being treated unfairly just because of some disability. Let her have some future that is free from bullying or personal triggering so that everyone around her knows her potential as an individual.

Why did I say that? Because every day in my elementary, for about 8 years, students and teachers triggered my social issues, trying to find entertainment in how I reacted. But as the issue faded away into H.S., my grades increased, and so did my ability to know how to socialize. I went from getting many Bs and Cs in my elementary, then went to H.S. - where I was much more understood - and received mostly As and Bs, and now I'm in college. And since the years in my elementary, more of my potential also showed: I went from barely managing Bs in my elementary, to getting straight As this past college semester. I'm not showing off about it - I'm showing that if you give a disabled person, or someone with personal issues, the chance to shine, without being bullied or triggered, then that person will shine.

Back to the issue from the above news reports: Once the issue gets settled and put in the past, kick some ass, Courtney!
 
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