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[rays09]

after 6 days looking an answer from this forum changed my mine 1000 times.. my heart goes to 15"cMP high end with glossy retina display..

today i went to the authorized store and then they said "we have the high model 15" about we can help you to order online the hi-ress cause the distributor in singapore was out of stock and will available in 4 month". dammit!! hmm after that i try the 15" in there yeah it's fluid , i see no problem at that the 1440 x 900 but after i looking around and looked an asus with it's IPS panel ....x1200 display it's blown the 15" 1440x990 out of league for 2012 notebook. now what should i go?

i dont want to go to asus iwanna try the OS x this is will be my firs experience in mac stuff.. hmm.. hard choice now..

actually i don't have a heart in retina only because it's lacks of hard disk considering i only can afford the base model retina with upgrade RAM. and i never the retina , i see many issued about the laggy UI , cmon buy the 2400 Notebook with laggy UI.....
but the man said that the laggy ui will fixed soon after the mountain lion update but i doubt about it.

so what do you think go with it or the retina one? the retina come out in friday here if we add more RAM need 3 weeks shiping..

buy retina only with it's base model and lacks storage
or
buy the 15" highend model with ($2200 laptop with 1440 x 900 resolution!?!?!?)

share your experience here with rMBP with base model and higher RAM or anyone bought the highend cMBP with standard resolution?

my needs is do photoediting as a hobby,light video editing just make a funny short movie, music footage, do some cover music , experiment with music app like garage band logic pro,playing light game like diablo 3 or football manager and this is not my first PC , i have an Gaming desktop with dell 2412m with it's monitor. but i need a laptop for my uni before it;s start in august!


help me to choose or give an another alternative if you say my needs fit in 13" no problem and give me an advice... thanks

 

[zerotiu]

what is a cMP? classic Macbook pro? but you mention retina display?

I also have the same need like you. I decided to order rMBP. I've used early 2008 MBP weights 2.45 kgs. I know, it is light for some you out there but 4 years with this laptop, I want something lighter.

Than I look MBA, I thought this is the perfect choice! but then I compare the screen with my old MBP, I don't like the MBA screen.

cMBP 13" max 1280 res, cMBP 15" PERFECT! but heavy 2.54 kgs, even heavier.

rMBP is perfect for me. I believe that Apple will address this lag issue and a lot of apps will come to support the scaling for the screen.

For me, rMBP it's perfect.

 

[farhat2tube]

Yea i was in the same boat as you, but im in malaysia..
There are no rMBP yet in the resellers like machines, istudy and studio but i opted for the classic MBP 15" highest spec. It has the same price as the base retina but i added RM306 for the High res anti glare (i think you meant hi-res and not a cMBP retina)

Im still a student, pursuing architecture and needed a fast, upgradable mac, and the retina is too new to be opting for it. Its beautiful, but being in asia pacific where mac technology is a little slow and expensive, i went for the latter.

If you need for photo editing, and playing around with garageband, i would personally opt for the classic highspec @ 15".. Why? The hi res screen should be enough as people before made beautiful shots and edited professionally even before retina came out. Retina is helpful with such programms but do you really need a retina? Even the 15 base line with hi res is enough for photo editing.

Also, to me, self Upgradable inexpensive RAM, and a future SSD upgrade is very important as i will be using the computer for ahwhile, so again, i prefer the classic.

But its your money, your choice. Some need something flashy and new thus opted for retina, but i need it to help me improve my studies and skills, and would invest in something reliable and upgradable.

 

[alexiszorba]

I would not hesitate and take a Retina. So sexy. The screen is amazing and it's so fast with the flash architecture.
The base model should be enough for you, if you need more storage use USB3. In one year or so you will find plenty of offers to replace the 256go for a 512go quite cheap.

 

[rays09]

what is a cMP? classic Macbook pro? but you mention retina display?

I also have the same need like you. I decided to order rMBP. I've used early 2008 MBP weights 2.45 kgs. I know, it is light for some you out there but 4 years with this laptop, I want something lighter.

Than I look MBA, I thought this is the perfect choice! but then I compare the screen with my old MBP, I don't like the MBA screen.

cMBP 13" max 1280 res, cMBP 15" PERFECT! but heavy 2.54 kgs, even heavier.

rMBP is perfect for me. I believe that Apple will address this lag issue and a lot of apps will come to support the scaling for the screen.

For me, rMBP it's perfect.

I would not hesitate and take a Retina. So sexy. The screen is amazing and it's so fast with the flash architecture.
The base model should be enough for you, if you need more storage use USB3. In one year or so you will find plenty of offers to replace the 256go for a 512go quite cheap.

so what model of rMBP u all had? iam not lying the rMBP eventhough i never really have hand in there it will be gorgeous ! is it about the replaceable hdd will true or just a rumors?
about the lag issued i doubt the GPU can render well the high upscale resolution and maybe in end 2012 they announce rMBP with gorgeous graphic and 2gb or 1,5 ram graphic...
but once again iam not lying the rMBP it will be the best look notebook so far.

iam still thinking about to pick the retina one considering its lack of hdd, can i live with ext HDD everywhere? and many people said it's disposal things in two years. iam agree with some of that. just my thought bro.. and money it's my issue but iam still thinking about getting to it or not..

Yea i was in the same boat as you, but im in malaysia..
There are no rMBP yet in the resellers like machines, istudy and studio but i opted for the classic MBP 15" highest spec. It has the same price as the base retina but i added RM306 for the High res anti glare (i think you meant hi-res and not a cMBP retina)

Im still a student, pursuing architecture and needed a fast, upgradable mac, and the retina is too new to be opting for it. Its beautiful, but being in asia pacific where mac technology is a little slow and expensive, i went for the latter.

If you need for photo editing, and playing around with garageband, i would personally opt for the classic highspec @ 15".. Why? The hi res screen should be enough as people before made beautiful shots and edited professionally even before retina came out. Retina is helpful with such programms but do you really need a retina? Even the 15 base line with hi res is enough for photo editing.

Also, to me, self Upgradable inexpensive RAM, and a future SSD upgrade is very important as i will be using the computer for ahwhile, so again, i prefer the classic.

But its your money, your choice. Some need something flashy and new thus opted for retina, but i need it to help me improve my studies and skills, and would invest in something reliable and upgradable.

yeah i want to pick the 15" highend with hi ress but i can't order the highress from here.. do you got the 15" hi res?
what do you think if i get 15" just with it's standard screen ?
iam from indonesia cheers bro!

 

[farhat2tube]

Im still waiting for mine to arrive in a day or two. I ordered the anti glare hi res bcause i want the most accurate colours and a larger realestate. But i think the normal is fine, many people who buys them usually opt for the normal screen and they say its great. Glossy is more vivid and great to view photos BUT the colours are not accurate when printed on paper, the anti glare shows much accurate colours.

 

[alexiszorba]

replacing the SSD will be possible from third party sellers but using third party SSD will likely void the warranty.

A laptop is a disposable item. I am sure the computer service shops will be able to repair most things in the retina almost as easily as the macbook pro one year down the road. It will be more expensive to repair but the higher price of the laptop will make the repair worth it.

Only time will tell if the retina suffers from defects that appear later in the life of the model. I prefer to believe it won't, but like always in life, it's a bet.

 

[rays09]

replacing the SSD will be possible from third party sellers but using third party SSD will likely void the warranty.

A laptop is a disposable item. I am sure the computer service shops will be able to repair most things in the retina almost as easily as the macbook pro one year down the road. It will be more expensive to repair but the higher price of the laptop will make the repair worth it.

Only time will tell if the retina suffers from defects that appear later in the life of the model. I prefer to believe it won't, but like always in life, it's a bet.

what about macbook air ? can we swap the hdd or ram it's already 4 years right? is it repairable???
did u get the retina one?
the safety place now it's get the 15" but **** happened to that i can order the hi ress here.

Im still waiting for mine to arrive in a day or two. I ordered the anti glare hi res bcause i want the most accurate colours and a larger realestate. But i think the normal is fine, many people who buys them usually opt for the normal screen and they say its great. Glossy is more vivid and great to view photos BUT the colours are not accurate when printed on paper, the anti glare shows much accurate colours.

how much you paid for it?? what if i buy it order from malay?

 

[zerotiu]

I still don't understand why you want to change the hdd inside it. I've used 250GB space for photoshop PSD files, RAW photo files, movie and office datas (of course I also use external harddisk). 256GB is more than enough I think. It's just how you manage your things.


However, if you plan to change it, forget MBA /rMBP. That's it. Buy classic MBP.
I repair my MBP by myself because it is very easy (not for some though).

I think cMBP 13" /15" is enough for you.

However again...if you want to buy rMBP and use it for 4 years. Buy 16gb memory + apple care. It will still have good resale price.

 

[farhat2tube]

In malaysia, the high end cost me RM6199 after student discout. Plus i added another RM306 for the hires anti glare. Its RM6505 all together

 

[mykelala01]

what is a cMP? classic Macbook pro? but you mention retina display?

I also have the same need like you. I decided to order rMBP. I've used early 2008 MBP weights 2.45 kgs. I know, it is light for some you out there but 4 years with this laptop, I want something lighter.

Than I look MBA, I thought this is the perfect choice! but then I compare the screen with my old MBP, I don't like the MBA screen.

cMBP 13" max 1280 res, cMBP 15" PERFECT! but heavy 2.54 kgs, even heavier.

rMBP is perfect for me. I believe that Apple will address this lag issue and a lot of apps will come to support the scaling for the screen.

For me, rMBP it's perfect.

lag issue is not a software preblem but a hardware problem. I believe that the GPU is not par with the retina display. That is why its struggle to cope up. Apple never fix my macbook air rev A overheating issue. Apple excuse, my macbook air technology is old, compare to new macbook air. That is why it has overheating issue. I've been to genius Bar 3 years straight with no luck. That someday I am hoping, they will fix my overheating issue. So don't put your luck on a 1st gen Retina display. Because when the technology catch up after 3 years. You will be left with a very expensive 1st gen macbook pro retina with low resale value.

 

[Big-TDI-Guy]

lag issue is not a software preblem but a hardware problem. I believe that the GPU is not par with the retina display. That is why its struggle to cope up. Apple never fix my macbook air rev A overheating issue. Apple excuse, my macbook air technology is old, compare to new macbook air. That is why it has overheating issue. I've been to genius Bar 3 years straight with no luck. That someday I am hoping, they will fix my overheating issue. So don't put your luck on a 1st gen Retina display. Because when the technology catch up after 3 years. You will be left with a very expensive 1st gen macbook pro retina with low resale value.

Have to agree here. Look at 1st gen iPhone, how quickly it was shelved (legitimately), 1st gen iPad... My retina iPad, though beautiful, page tears when scrolling and is slower than the ipad2 with simple tasks, like loading thumbnails of shared videos. Which also seems to be hardware based. Wait for next cycle if you can!

 

[rays09]

I still don't understand why you want to change the hdd inside it. I've used 250GB space for photoshop PSD files, RAW photo files, movie and office datas (of course I also use external harddisk). 256GB is more than enough I think. It's just how you manage your things.


However, if you plan to change it, forget MBA /rMBP. That's it. Buy classic MBP.
I repair my MBP by myself because it is very easy (not for some though).

I think cMBP 13" /15" is enough for you.

However again...if you want to buy rMBP and use it for 4 years. Buy 16gb memory + apple care. It will still have good resale price.

yeah iplanned to buy the classic one between 13" or 15"! thanks for the feedbck!

lag issue is not a software preblem but a hardware problem. I believe that the GPU is not par with the retina display. That is why its struggle to cope up. Apple never fix my macbook air rev A overheating issue. Apple excuse, my macbook air technology is old, compare to new macbook air. That is why it has overheating issue. I've been to genius Bar 3 years straight with no luck. That someday I am hoping, they will fix my overheating issue. So don't put your luck on a 1st gen Retina display. Because when the technology catch up after 3 years. You will be left with a very expensive 1st gen macbook pro retina with low resale value.

Have to agree here. Look at 1st gen iPhone, how quickly it was shelved (legitimately), 1st gen iPad... My retina iPad, though beautiful, page tears when scrolling and is slower than the ipad2 with simple tasks, like loading thumbnails of shared videos. Which also seems to be hardware based. Wait for next cycle if you can!

wordup! mine thinking about that too bro!

In malaysia, the high end cost me RM6199 after student discout. Plus i added another RM306 for the hires anti glare. Its RM6505 all together

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG it's freakin cheaper than here, here it's cost about $2500 for the cMBP with highend and hii ress..

if i go to malay can i use my student card there?? flight it's only cost about $80 with air asia and i got vacation in singapore . can you help me about that information??

 

[fig]

my needs is do photoediting as a hobby,light video editing just make a funny short movie, music footage, do some cover music , experiment with music app like garage band logic pro,playing light game like diablo 3 or football manager and this is not my first PC , i have an Gaming desktop with dell 2412m with it's monitor. but i need a laptop for my uni before it;s start in august!


help me to choose or give an another alternative if you say my needs fit in 13" no problem and give me an advice... thanks

A RMBP is probably overkill for what amounts to basically just playing around and light media use on a laptop. Any of the Mac laptops would work for what you want to do, just depends how big a screen you want and how easily you want to be able to swap out your hard drive and battery.

 

[funnoam]

actually i don't have a heart in retina only because it's lacks of hard disk considering i only can afford the base model retina with upgrade RAM. and i never the retina , i see many issued about the laggy UI , cmon buy the 2400 Notebook with laggy UI.....
but the man said that the laggy ui will fixed soon after the mountain lion update but i doubt about it.

You obviously don't know why there is lag :
The retina macbook pro render the screen at 2880x1800 (in retina standard mode). Then it performs a downscale to fit to the 1440x800 resolution. Laggy UI doesn't exist : software on demonstration macbook is buggy and slow down everything, it doesn't exist on retail macbook.
Next is the lag in Safari : yes, the lag exist. But it's fixed in moutain lion. There is many reports from users who have installed moutain lion and it's perfectly snappy and working as expected.

 

[zerotiu]

lag issue is not a software preblem but a hardware problem. I believe that the GPU is not par with the retina display. That is why its struggle to cope up. Apple never fix my macbook air rev A overheating issue. Apple excuse, my macbook air technology is old, compare to new macbook air. That is why it has overheating issue. I've been to genius Bar 3 years straight with no luck. That someday I am hoping, they will fix my overheating issue. So don't put your luck on a 1st gen Retina display. Because when the technology catch up after 3 years. You will be left with a very expensive 1st gen macbook pro retina with low resale value.

I doubt the lag problem is hardware problem because not all rMBP owner experience the lag. Some who has installed DP mountain lion said that the lag is gone using another program besides safari.

For me , this powerful hardware cannot be the reason there is lag.It's also because the scaling calculation. I believe that there will be apps to control this.

 

[rays09]

You obviously don't know why there is lag :
The retina macbook pro render the screen at 2880x1800 (in retina standard mode). Then it performs a downscale to fit to the 1440x800 resolution. Laggy UI doesn't exist : software on demonstration macbook is buggy and slow down everything, it doesn't exist on retail macbook.
Next is the lag in Safari : yes, the lag exist. But it's fixed in moutain lion. There is many reports from users who have installed moutain lion and it's perfectly snappy and working as expected.

I doubt the lag problem is hardware problem because not all rMBP owner experience the lag. Some who has installed DP mountain lion said that the lag is gone using another program besides safari.

For me , this powerful hardware cannot be the reason there is lag.It's also because the scaling calculation. I believe that there will be apps to control this.

my thought still at the lag exist because the HW problem.. why apple sell this stuff to us? are they fools us? are they never tried this machine before they lunch it's kindda sucks if you bought $2000 ++ that's laggy!

 

[zerotiu]

my thought still at the lag exist because the HW problem.. why apple sell this stuff to us? are they fools us? are they never tried this machine before they lunch it's kindda sucks if you bought $2000 ++ that's laggy!

Sorry, I have to disagree. All mac series which has store application experience lag. it is gone when the store application is turned off.

Most of use haven't experienced the rMBP, so we cannot judge that. It is not so Apple.

Also you haven't used mac. This is your first time if you buy the 2012 series. So.... I can say to you : take it or leave it.

For the sake of Steve, please experience mac and know the history before you give opinion let alone you haven't used mac before. Sorry if I'm too harsh.

 

[funnoam]

Sorry, I have to disagree. All mac series which has store application experience lag. it is gone when the store application is turned off.

Most of use haven't experienced the rMBP, so we cannot judge that. It is not so Apple.

Also you haven't used mac. This is your first time if you buy the 2012 series. So.... I can say to you : take it or leave it.

For the sake of Steve, please experience mac and know the history before you give opinion let alone you haven't used mac before. Sorry if I'm to harsh.

I bought a retina macbook and i'm writing on it right now !
And YES, there is lag in safari under lion, on heavy webpages (running at 1440x900). Nothing too annoying...
No lag in Lion UI, expose and mission control are snappy as hell !