Ongoing iOS 18 Bug Prevents Photo Edits From Being Saved

[Razorpit]

Ridiculous. Between the number of bugs and the disconnect between their marketing department and Apple Intelligence feature availability, Apple should be ashamed of iOS 18. I'll continue to tell my parents to hold off on updating their phones from iOS 17 until 18 is at least not riddled with bugs.

Yup same here. Mine are in their late 70's and I keep telling them they don't want to be spending their golden years bug fighting a phone OS update. 😂

 

[switz]

I started in computer software and hardware (Heathkit anyone?) in the late 1970s and will be 80 next spring.

I had uploaded from my CD collection playlists onto my Mac of the day between 2000 and 2010. Then Apple removed these playlists and all of the music on my computer along with their CD/DVD player and forced one to use Apple Music by Siri. What a frustration.

Doing that now to photos. My local NAS has all the sources of the images now so no tricks by Apple can happen other than them killing their ethernet ports.

Finally getting WiFi 6E on the product line is a big win as I have a whole home mesh system and data transfers are very brisk. I have a 10Gb ethernet hub and the Mac Studio and the M2 Pro Mac mini file server both have 10Gb Ethernet ports so that is an improvement.

I consider myself very tech savvy (ran six different operating systems in the 80s and 90s), but the BS in Apple's recent operating systems is beyond the pale. My memory is not pristine and these challenges are getting more difficult for me to solve.

The only consolation is that MacOS is not quite as bad as any version of Windows.....

 

[Digital Dude]

I started in computer software and hardware (Heathkit anyone?) in the late 1970s and will be 80 next spring.

I had uploaded from my CD collection playlists onto my Mac of the day between 2000 and 2010. Then Apple removed these playlists and all of the music on my computer along with their CD/DVD player and forced one to use Apple Music by Siri. What a frustration.

Doing that now to photos. My local NAS has all the sources of the images now so no tricks by Apple can happen other than them killing their ethernet ports.

Finally getting WiFi 6E on the product line is a big win as I have a whole home mesh system and data transfers are very brisk. I have a 10Gb ethernet hub and the Mac Studio and the M2 Pro Mac mini file server both have 10Gb Ethernet ports so that is an improvement.

I consider myself very tech savvy (ran six different operating systems in the 80s and 90s), but the BS in Apple's recent operating systems is beyond the pale. My memory is not pristine and these challenges are getting more difficult for me to solve.

The only consolation is that MacOS is not quite as bad as any version of Windows.....

Well, I may not be at your level, but I do live down the street. I started with Apple in 1983 with an Apple IIc and the ImageWriter. I purchased the first Mac when it was released and have been with them ever since. Back then, you paid a lot, but you received a lot. As you likely know, that's definitely not the case today. Now, just a few years behind you, I too suffer from age-related issues. Frankly, I feel more comfortable using Windows 11 these days—it’s a bit more straightforward and business-like than apple‘s unicorns and sprinkles’. 🤷‍♂️

 

[switz]

Started with Apple gear in 1990 with a loaded IIfx, Iici, SE30 and IIsi gear. Folks do not appreciate the bang for the buck today as my IIfx was over $10,000 in 1990 dollars before the video card and 21" color monitor

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I started in computer software and hardware (Heathkit anyone?) in the late 1970s and will be 80 next spring.

I had uploaded from my CD collection playlists onto my Mac of the day between 2000 and 2010. Then Apple removed these playlists and all of the music on my computer along with their CD/DVD player and forced one to use Apple Music by Siri. What a frustration.

You can definitely have your CD collection in modern Macs. What was iTunes is now the Music app (separate from Apple Music service, basically iTunes with a face lift and some underlying changes). My collection ripped from as far back as 2001 or so lives on in Music after years in iTunes. I've never subscribed to Apple Music. Playlists have survived all updates. You might want to locate the old iTunes library and import it into Apple Music (how is a tutorial online, provided by Apple). If you still have that library intact on an old Mac, it is likely it will revive your playlists as they were too at last use.

Doing that now to photos. My local NAS has all the sources of the images now so no tricks by Apple can happen other than them killing their ethernet ports.

Photos is harder to deal with as Apple REALLY wants to "load up" iCloud, presumably to drive "services sales" via iCloud capacity needs. To avoid that involves flipping a few toggles to "force" Photos to function like traditional Photos app (or iPhoto before it) as if there is no iCloud. I don't remember the exact steps but I generally have all iCloud functionality associated with Photos OFF and Photos works as it traditionally has.

I do sync a (small 'best of') photo album or two to iCloud for sharing across devices but that's where iCloud use for Photos begins and ends for me... not iCloud-ing every photo ever shot.

Finally getting WiFi 6E on the product line is a big win as I have a whole home mesh system and data transfers are very brisk. I have a 10Gb ethernet hub and the Mac Studio and the M2 Pro Mac mini file server both have 10Gb Ethernet ports so that is an improvement.

I consider myself very tech savvy (ran six different operating systems in the 80s and 90s), but the BS in Apple's recent operating systems is beyond the pale. My memory is not pristine and these challenges are getting more difficult for me to solve.

There does seem to be a conscious effort to "force" upgrades in services revenue. I notice even after each OS upgrade, one often has to go back in and turn some things off again that "magically" get turned on in support of using more iCloud space/services. I've taken to snapshotting all iCloud settings before OS updates so I can put them back again AFTER the upgrades. There's also some digging around necessary to find new toggles that seem to get inserted in places that lean on favoring cellular usage over wifi and iCloud over local storage/synch. There are often "1X things to turn off after you upgrade to..." YouTube tutorials soon after major OS upgrades to help catch some of this. Not everything they recommend should be followed but you likely have the experience to recognize the ones that apply for you vs. those that may not.

I suspect much of this just revolves around lots of strategy being applied to maximize 💰💰💰 in services revenue. If they can default "on" some things/services in an OS update, many users will lack the sophistication to know what to turn on and off, etc, end up with iCloud overload and then just pay up for a larger tier to address their issue: easier to spend more money than wade through lots of tech support information to find which toggles to turn on and off. Apple makes more services revenues (AKA "another record quarter") and the game continues.

Nothing wrong with Apple chasing more revenue- that is fundamental to any business- but this kind of stuff can be frustrating even to more sophisticated users like yourself... and me too... especially when things we've got setup the way we want them are magically altered to- surprise, surprise- use more iCloud space, more cellular than wifi signal, etc. But who is the most profitable company???

 

[fatTribble]

I rarely edit photos, but I have hit this bug. I’m glad a fix is in progress.

 

[DanteHicks79]

What I want to know is why do some photos I go to edit take a minute and half to open up into the editor, and then take as long, if not longer, to save - while other photos launch into the editor instantaneously and save even quicker?

 

[kolargol99]

this is true for all my devices: iPhone 16 Pro, iPad with latest iOS beta and macOS - none of the apps can edit LivePhoto - it is stuck in grey so it cannot be edited. Sometimes Photos app on macOS just crashes when trying to edit LivePhoto taken with iPhone 16. I am really shocked that such a core feature is not ficed for so long time !

 

[Hank001]

Sure, I’m a chicken, a wuss. I don’t upgrade first anymore.

But as before it was cool being first with software, even stable software was buggy before. Upgrade was PART of the fun of being a nerd…

But as our devices becomes more advanced, fills even more functions in life, every bug/upgrade has wider and wider implications.

I’m just not ready to upgrade in the morning and run out the door and not have ApplePay not work. Or upgrade at night and alarm not go off so I can’t get out the door. Or Airplay be choppy….or iCloud show my old photos to my new gf, or old pron pics to my mom when I hand her my phone to show a meme, or the door not opening when I’m standing soaking wet outside.

Apple et al. should create a new “tier” of software. We have Alpha and Beta (and RC etc etc)…but there should be one deemed “Stable” and another “Fresh”. Stable is safe. Fresh might not be. My dad expects a new version to JUST WORK. I’m usually the one who gets blamed for it and has to fix it.

What I would like to see, is the customer gets to choose what to download:
-bugfixes
-security updates
-new software, that'll inevitably contain new bugs

Alas, it's all one download, on package deal, you'll get all of the above.

Me? I simply say on x.0 with every new iPhone. Dealing with the bugs, but not having to deal with new bugs. So be it.

 

[SebCohen]

You can definitely have your CD collection in modern Macs. What was iTunes is now the Music app (separate from Apple Music service, basically iTunes with a face lift and some underlying changes). My collection ripped from as far back as 2001 or so lives on in Music after years in iTunes. I've never subscribed to Apple Music. Playlists have survived all updates. You might want to locate the old iTunes library and import it into Apple Music (how is a tutorial online, provided by Apple). If you still have that library intact on an old Mac, it is likely it will revive your playlists as they were too at last use too.



Photos is harder to deal with as Apple REALLY wants to "load up" iCloud, presumably to drive "services sales" via iCloud capacity needs. To avoid that involves flipping a few toggles to "force" Photos to function like traditional Photos app (or iPhoto before it) as if there is no iCloud. I don't remember the exact steps but I generally have all iCloud functionality associated with Photos OFF and Photos works as it traditionally has.

I do sync a (small 'best of') photo album or two to iCloud for sharing across devices but that's where iCloud use for Photos begins and ends for me... not iCloud-ing every photo ever shot.



There does seem to be a conscious effort to "force" upgrades in services revenue. I notice even after each OS upgrade, one often has to go back in and turn some things off again that "magically" get turned on in support of using more iCloud space/services. I've taken to snapshotting all iCloud settings before OS updates so I can put them back again AFTER the upgrades. There's also some digging around necessary to find new toggles that seem to get inserted in places that lean on favoring cellular usage over wifi and iCloud over local storage/synch. There are often "1X things to turn off after you upgrade to..." YouTube tutorials soon after major OS upgrades to help catch some of this. Not everything they recommend should be followed but you likely have the experience to recognize the ones that apply for you vs. those that may not.

I suspect much of this just revolves around lots of strategy being applied to maximize 💰💰💰 in services revenue. If they can default "on" some things/services in an OS update, many users will lack the sophistication to know what to turn on and off, etc, end up with iCloud overload and then just pay up for a larger tier to address their issue: easier to spend more money than wade through lots of tech support information to find which toggles to turn on and off. Apple makes more services revenues (AKA "another record quarter") and the game continues.

Nothing wrong with Apple chasing more revenue- that is fundamental to any business- but this kind of stuff can be frustrating even to more sophisticated users like yourself... and me too... especially when things we've got setup the way we want them are magically altered to- surprise, surprise- use more iCloud space, more cellular than wifi signal, etc. But who is the most profitable company???

I’m SHOCKED at the amount of cellular usage I have on my iPhone after recently going over to iOS. It’s 3x. And it’s automatic…I did get to choose it. I’m mostly over on reduce data usage now…don’t know what that breaks, but also don’t care

 

[SebCohen]

I started in computer software and hardware (Heathkit anyone?) in the late 1970s and will be 80 next spring.

I had uploaded from my CD collection playlists onto my Mac of the day between 2000 and 2010. Then Apple removed these playlists and all of the music on my computer along with their CD/DVD player and forced one to use Apple Music by Siri. What a frustration.

Doing that now to photos. My local NAS has all the sources of the images now so no tricks by Apple can happen other than them killing their ethernet ports.

Finally getting WiFi 6E on the product line is a big win as I have a whole home mesh system and data transfers are very brisk. I have a 10Gb ethernet hub and the Mac Studio and the M2 Pro Mac mini file server both have 10Gb Ethernet ports so that is an improvement.

I consider myself very tech savvy (ran six different operating systems in the 80s and 90s), but the BS in Apple's recent operating systems is beyond the pale. My memory is not pristine and these challenges are getting more difficult for me to solve.

The only consolation is that MacOS is not quite as bad as any version of Windows.....

iOS is becoming….convoluted. And Apple acts more like a dictatorship than your best friend.

 

[SebCohen]

Apple engineers have done an exceptionally good job keeping the user interface simple and clean while adding massively advanced features every year. We can't really complain that the occasional bug creeps in when we demand more and more features.

I’d argue it’s become too complex for their keep it simple philosophy and as a result it has become convoluted. There’s so many functions hidden away that never gets used and still get programming resources while known bugs keep on living….

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I’m SHOCKED at the amount of cellular usage I have on my iPhone after recently going over to iOS. It’s 3x. And it’s automatic…I did get to choose it. I’m mostly over on reduce data usage now…don’t know what that breaks, but also don’t care

Watch some YouTube videos about what to turn off to reduce cell data usage. Then go in there and locate sometimes relatively hidden toggle switches and turn them off.

And be sure to recheck them again- especially after OS upgrades which seem to flip some back on again- like there is some hidden motivation to get users burning more data (and potentially crossing into extra data charges for any capped data offerings around the world). Would important iPhone-selling partners like the cell companies want iDevices to burn cell data faster so they can charge for overages? Seems at least plausible. They make more money on these kind of "innovations" and thus want to push more iDevices, which makes Apple more money. 💰💰💰

OR Apple could "innovate" data miser approaches where cell data burn is minimized and users could turn ON things to use more of it for select apps only if desired, which would likely use less cell data, driving less overages, driving less added revenue for cell service providers, which then makes iDevices less lucrative to them, which moves them to push competing devices more (from others willing to "innovate" more burn).

When confused about such matters, just follow the 💰💰💰 to make sense of anything that doesn't often seem sensible through a pure consumer lens. It is $en$ible in the way that matters most to $eller$. Since buyers will tend to just buy anyway... and just pay more anyway... seller doesn't feel any pain from such choices.