OpenAI Calls on U.S. Government to Let It Freely Use Copyrighted Material for AI Training

[rmariboe]

They’re not doing that though. They’re already training against copyrighted/published material and seeking legal cover after the fact.

They’re training on the output of workers, artists, academics, and scientific papers in an attempt to create tools that are “good enough” to devalue labor ever further.

I mean, the end goal being for humans to never have to work again, devaluating human labor is the way to go - but I get what you mean, and I was merely stating myself that _as long as_ OpenAI etc. pay the same as the rest of us for copyrighted material, all is good and well 😅

 

[rmariboe]

There is a difference. Which is why I guess courts are getting involved.

https://suchir.net/fair_use.html

If had the capability to scrape the Internet for data and store it and then have people pay me to reproduce that information, I'm pretty sure I'd be getting sued every which way.

That is what you’re doing though; you are reading stuff, creating an abstraction in your neural network, and then use that abstraction to generate responses to stimuli. It’s no different than LLMs - only you have more in- and output vectors, and you systems is carbon based, runs on glucose and uses potassium and sodium ions as charge carriers - as opposed to silicon and electrons…

 

[rmariboe]

I don’t think the US president really has the power to rule over international copyrights?

It’s up to each country to ratify those laws - China is a good example of someone who is more lenient…

 

[rmariboe]

The other thing to remember is that some of these creators have actually licensed their content for AI training, providing a much-needed extra income source for newspapers that have already been struggling.

This is total hogwash. And as a European, if they infringe on my copyrighted works, I expect to be able to sue them for wilful infringement. They, and the US government, have no power over European copyright law or my rights.

In what court would you sue them?

 

[rmariboe]

Cool. Give students free access to text books then. They are also just trying to train their brain

We have that in Europe; libraries. I’m pretty sure the US has a similar system?

 

[turbineseaplane]

We have that in Europe; libraries. I’m pretty sure the US has a similar system?

For the moment we do, yes.

It's a system under siege by those seeking to privatize everything to the highest bidder.

 

[rmariboe]

The fact that the labor force ever thought it had the upper hand is laughable. Who cuts and signs the paycheck and administers health insurance? That’s who has the upper hand. Don’t be mistaken.

You people need to unionize more! 😬

 

[rmariboe]

For the moment we do, yes.

It's a system under siege by those seeking to privatize everything to the highest bidder.

Damn 🤥
I really dislike any level of privatization - there’s an ongoing trend in Denmark, too, and every single service that has been privatized for more expensive due to C-level and board members taking bigger and bigger cuts.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Damn 🤥
I really dislike any level of privatization - there’s an ongoing trend in Denmark, too, and every single service that has been privatized for more expensive due to C-level and board members taking bigger and bigger cuts.

Yup!

If Americans thought Private Equity was bad (almost always ruins whatever it controls) ... just wait until they own and run "everything".

 

[ghanwani]

That is what you’re doing though; you are reading stuff, creating an abstraction in your neural network, and then use that abstraction to generate responses to stimuli. It’s no different than LLMs - only you have more in- and output vectors, and you systems is carbon based, runs on glucose and uses potassium and sodium ions as charge carriers - as opposed to silicon and electrons…

Did you read the link about copyright and fair use?

 

[NT1440]

I mean, the end goal being for humans to never have to work again, devaluating human labor is the way to go - but I get what you mean, and I was merely stating myself that _as long as_ OpenAI etc. pay the same as the rest of us for copyrighted material, all is good and well 😅

That is NOT the end goal.

 

[rmariboe]

Did you read the link about copyright and fair use?

I did now - thanks for bringing my attention to it; a very interesting take! 🤓