OpenAI Swiftly Rebuffs Musk's Surprise $97.4 Billion Buyout Attempt

[breenmask]

Like I said, you’re simply ignoring anything that doesn't fit your argument.

I didn't.

I listed specific areas of legal concern.

And I responded to every single specific concern, including the one you admitted that you were wrong about.

to take advantage of the fact that we don't have access to what exactly is being done

Well if you don't have access to what exactly is being done, you don't know what exactly is illegal about it.

You just repeated yourself while ignoring my response.

You keep repeating it's relevant. I keep repeating it's not. I'm not allowed to repeat but you're allowed to repeat? Weird stance.

Again, corruption on the part of Musk is certainly relevant

That lawsuit is not relevant. If this was the court of law, the judge would sustain to the objection that it is not relevant to the case.

Any impoundment, either temporary or permanent is likely illegal, unless it was for reasons authorized by law.

It may or may not be illegal. Until it is ruled otherwise, so far nothing illegal has happened.

The best that a president could legally do is request Congress rescind the funding. That would allow him to hold the funding for 45 days. Congress does not need to respond. If they do not rescind the funding in 45 days, it must be released.

OMB's memo says the directive does not constitute as an impoundment. Until courts rule it is, so far it's legal.

 

[Mainsail]

The creation of DOGE is a reorganization (a valid argument considering it's legal) and your argument is simply about a temporary freeze of payments which is legal. Where did I change anything?

It is not legal. It violates the appropriations law and the intent of Congress. Could the president put personal on administrative leave and stop all expenditures for 90 days for:

• Defense and leave the country undefended from foreign attack
• Treasury and stop all payment to individuals, institutions, and bond holders, which would put the country in default and ignite an unequalled global financial crisis
• Homeland Security and leave the country completely open to terrorist attack
• Federal prison system and let murders and rapist out on the streets
• Justice Department and stop all prosecution of crime

Why not shut down the entire federal government for 90 days and put everyone, including contractors, on administrative leave? The notion that the president can ignore Congressional authorizations and appropriations and legally do this because it is only "temporary" is completely absurd. 90 days is a quarter of the fiscal year, and the country would spiral into chaos. So yes, it is a violation of appropriation laws passed by Congress to shut down functions of government for 90 days.

People on this forum have attempted to explain this numerous times. I don't know what else can be said.

 

[BaldiMac]

And I responded to every single specific concern, including the one you admitted that you were wrong about.

Nope. (But I assume that you're still making a semantic argument based on the word "specific" that I already addressed.

You keep repeating it's relevant. I keep repeating it's not. I'm not allowed to repeat but you're allowed to repeat? Weird stance.

The difference, of course, is that I provided a reason and you just repeated a claim. Like I said, you're entire MO is to leave out the parts that don't fit your argument.

It may or may not be illegal. Until it is ruled otherwise, so far nothing illegal has happened.

And there we go. The lie laid bare. "Sure, I murdered a bunch of random people in cold blood, but that's not illegal because I haven't gone to court yet, since I just did it a few minutes ago."

 

[breenmask]

It is not legal. It violates the appropriations law and the intent of Congress.

It doesn't actually. If it was an impoundment, it would violate the law. OMB argues it is not an impoundment but rather a programatic delay. It's up to the courts to decide if it is an impoundment, but until that happens, it is so far legal.

Anyways, I think we've reached the end of the argument.

 

[breenmask]

Nope.

Yep.

The difference, of course, is that I provided a reason

Reason wasn't valid.

And there we go. The lie laid bare.

"Innocent until proven guilty". Unless the administration admits they did something illegal, it's legal until proven otherwise. Sorry, but it's literally how the legal system works in USA.

I think we've reached the end of the argument.

 

[BaldiMac]

Yep.

Reason wasn't valid.

There you go again. Repeating the claim without any explanation or justification..

"Innocent until proven guilty". Unless the administration admits they did something illegal, it's legal until proven otherwise. Sorry, but it's literally how the legal system works in USA.

I think we've reached the end of the argument.

No reasonable person would claim murder is legal unless you are convicted.

 

[ThomasJL]

Altman-versus-Musk is fascism-versus-fascism.

 

[amartinez1660]

This cult of personality bs surrounding Musk is so incredibly strange.

I find both the cult and anti-cult incredibly strange and a waste of time.

And yes, I’m calling myself out, I did cringe through many of these pages, the funny comments and wasted my own time 🫢. I’m an overweight person, should be going for a jog instead of reading this, priorities.

(Stopping here)

 

[ArPe]

Mr Free Speech is apparently using his connections with authoritarian leaders to harass people across the world.

If he can do this to his own customers you’re next no matter how much you try to avoid him and live in peace. This kind of people sooner or later kill innocents when they think they can get away with it.

 

[H2SO4]

People are beginning to reveal more about Musk;

My previous opinions/comments about the imbecile remain valid.

 

[richpjr]

People are beginning to reveal more about Musk;

My previous opinions/comments about the imbecile remain valid.

Posting a video from a well known an anti-Musk hater is hardly revealing.

 

[H2SO4]

Posting a video from a well known an anti-Musk hater is hardly revealing.

It is though.

 

[richpjr]

It is though.

Not really, every thing has to be taken with a big grain of salt.

 

[H2SO4]

Not really, every thing has to be taken with a big grain of salt.

A quote Musk has used on multiple occasions, "This is something we can/are doing now".
Which guy has more form for lying?

 

[richpjr]

A quote Musk has used on multiple occasions, "This is something we can/are doing now".
Which guy has more form for lying?

Everyone can lie, including Elon, that channel, you or me. That doesn’t prove anything.

In the end, haters gonna hate and are much more likely to do it.

 

[H2SO4]

Everyone can lie, including Elon, that channel, you or me. That doesn’t prove anything.

In the end, haters gonna hate and are much more likely to do it.

Agree, but there is a thing called scale.
How many people, including that channel, you and me lie repeatedly and demonstrably on such a scale?
Only one I can think of in recent memory is, "We don't pay the tariffs, the foreign countries do".

 

[turbineseaplane]

It used to be universally agreed that bald face lying = "bad"

It's so sad to me that people now spend time dancing around lies with "yeah, but" and try to find ways to justify and explain it away.

Lying = Bad

 

[H2SO4]

It used to be universally agreed that bald face lying = "bad"

It's so sad to me that people now spend time dancing around lies with "yeah, but" and try to find ways to justify and explain it away.

Lying = Bad

It's extremely disheartening how you just cannot find an honest politician, (it's not just a a USA thing).
EDIT; I was a little hyperbolic. There are SOME honest ones but I'm talking very low percentage. For me the two that really rise to the top over your side are Mayor Pete and Katie Porter.

 

[Mainsail]

It's extremely disheartening how you just cannot find an honest politician, (it's not just a a USA thing).
EDIT; I was a little hyperbolic. There are SOME honest ones but I'm talking very low percentage. For me the two that really rise to the top over your side are Mayor Pete and Katie Porter.

I might add Bernie Sanders as an honest politician. There is much about which I disagree with him, but I do believe he is generally honest and well intended in his convictions.

 

[Imperial926]

Think of all those American movies where truth and honesty win through. Bad guys are vanquished and the good guys have high moral values. Not a lot of that around right now and I'm surprised that the wider American public is so blind to it.