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I second that. IMO, the value of Chrome is its user base and the fact that you can sign into Google services. Beyond those services, the code is available to everyone (for free). It basically has no value.

If it was sold, you would no longer be able to sign in using your Google account and nothing you previously had would work, especially the password manager. People would just move to whatever the new browser Google releases is so they can sign back in and use all the stuff in their account.
Google has effectively been controlling web standards for the past decade, to their benefit, by controlling Chrome. It would be great if that would stop.

Of course, Google would have to be prohibited from releasing another browser, that’s pretty clear either way. The prohibition could be that you can’t both have a search/ads service and a browser product, above a certain market size.
 
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I don’t understand why the DOJ wants Google to sell off Chrome.

Pretty high likelihood that at least one of the companies the Goverrment used to testity fthat Google was a "bad actor" suggested this. Or at least identified it on a list of options of "Gee, that would be nifty". The problem is that the government folks probably didn't ask 'why'. In many cases mainly so they could take it (on open market bid) and do something similar.

[ e.g., Microsoft probably has a bit of sour grapes that their primary Windows browser (Edge) is now Chromium based. If it went out to open bid , it wouldn't be surprising to see Microsoft buy it.
If the government forces a sale but then says these are the top 20 tech companies it can't be sold
to...what is the point?

Note 20 years ago the government rumbled about making Microsoft sell off Internet explorer. It wasn't sold off and IE is dead. Similar with AT&T broke it up only to have it incrementally pieced back together ( as a worse company run out of Dallas TX ). ]

Honestly, Google has invested a lot to make Chrome what it is today.

It is more than Google. There are over 20 browsers build on Chromium code.



Not have they invested , but they have left most of the code open source. That is why this remedy is whacked. Decoupling Chrome from funding seems to be the primary objective. That won't necessarily make it a more stable open source base to work from.


It’s the same with the EU pushing Apple to open up its technology to others. It feels like governments are only focused on challenging tech companies, while there are far more pressing issues in the world.

There is a big 'populist' appeal in going after very large companies. There is over the top arrogant stuff that Apple does. Only can use Apple Webkit to make a browser on iOS/iPad OS. Only Apple app store with a required percentage cut of the revenue action. etc. Apple selling the default search rights away and the end users not directly getting a dime of that. ( using customers as the product. )

P.S: I don’t use Chrome.

Edge , opera , ... ? Chrome code base is not just chrome.
 
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There is a big 'populist' appeal in going after very large companies.
This.

Populism - or some facsimile of it - is in fashion right now.

Even when it doesn't make sense.

Google's AdSense is far more onerous than the Google browser.

I use the Chrome browser because I like how it works and looks. And how it works would not have happened if Google didn't find it profitable... but I'm not against someone making money if they actually deliver a good or service.

The big issue is the invasiveness of corporations owning so much about us. Moving Chrome from one corporation to another is not going to change that.
 
To me honestly I rather have Google than OpenAI. If they would buy Chrome I will delete it. Then yes, I will switch to FireFox.

And I absolutely hate FireFox.
 
Will the DOJ be able to tell Google they can't operate a web browser? I would think Google would just create a new one.
 
$20 billion is the number that is being circulated for the Chrome business unit. If it goes on a bidding war, I suspect it will fetch a lot more than that. I can see Meta getting in on the action.
 
Oh God No!!! The last thing we need is OpenAI buying Chrome!! Don't want to touch ChatGPT with a 10 foot pole!! Chrome is in much much much better hands with Google, leave it alone!
 
I don’t understand why the DOJ wants Google to sell off Chrome. Honestly, Google has invested a lot to make Chrome what it is today. It’s the same with the EU pushing Apple to open up its technology to others. It feels like governments are only focused on challenging tech companies, while there are far more pressing issues in the world.

P.S: I don’t use Chrome.
I mean governments should and must regulate businesses. Even if individuals don’t see or understand why regulating is important.

The challenge with allowing companies to be anticompetitive is you, as a user, don’t get to see the missed technical innovation. You never see them so they don’t exist to you.

If you want a simple example though. Look at the internet in the MS IE era and then look at the long tail and cap it placed on technical innovation for the web. Once that finally collapsed we got massive innovation in the web space.

Microsoft wanted to keep the browser limited as they feared it would challenge Windows as the Operating System could move to the browser. We see they were right. Now the browser and the “cloud” run the vast majority of applications. That was an industry shifting innovation that a monopolist aimed to stop to ensure people continued buying their product.

The innovation didn’t kill Microsoft either. As they claimed it would. Microsoft is one of the biggest players in the cloud computing industry.
 
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Silly. Maybe allow Google to keep Chrome and give the user a more overt option to choose the built-in search engine upon install of the app, and during a future software update, presenting a list of search engine options. Do this for all browsers? I don’t trust Google, but at least they don’t **** whistleblowers.
 
they have left most of the code open source. That is why this remedy is whacked.
Large portions of Chrome are closed source...

But ignoring that. The government is coming back here and clarifying the lesson they aimed to teach with their recognition of the ability to use a browser to stifle competition in the marketplace. Google mopped up the Microsoft IE team when they created Chrome. Making the core of the browser open source allowed them to use WebKit and benefit from the work Apple had already done in that space to get the browser established (of which Apple forked the Linux Konqurer browser from KDE). They also hoped it would help to make the anticompetitive argument much harder for the DOJ to make. The browser is free AND they open sourced portions of it so there can't be a way to gauge negative market impact.

Governments are making it clear to tech companies that they need to be reasonable and competitive players in the market otherwise they'll draw regulatory scrutiny. That's a good and healthy thing to have occur.
 
I can’t imagine why this would be more attractive to OpenAI than forking off another copy of Chromium and creating their own browser. It would be far less expensive.

Plain and simple, it's the user base. When people who aren't involved in big business think about tech, they think that acquisitions are about technology. Rarely it is about tech. A little less rarely it is to stop a potential competitor from getting a foothold. Far and away, most often, in tech or any other type of business it is about customers/market share and/or revenue.

If it were only about tech, OpenAI would do exactly as you say, fork a copy of Chromium or Firefox.
 
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Just shut down Chrome and prevent Google from creating a new browser. Chromium project can still continue
That would actually be quite unfair to Google. Regardless of whether you like the way the company has conducted business, they have invested a lot of time, money, and effort in building an asset: the user base. That asset cannot be shutdown by the government without sufficient compensation. About 70 million Americans have 401k accounts and 50% of households hold mutual funds. A fair number of those people would lose money if the government were allowed to just shut down Chrome.
 
I don’t understand why the DOJ wants Google to sell off Chrome. Honestly, Google has invested a lot to make Chrome what it is today. It’s the same with the EU pushing Apple to open up its technology to others. It feels like governments are only focused on challenging tech companies, while there are far more pressing issues in the world.

P.S: I don’t use Chrome.
Chrome is one of the biggest sources of user-tracking information that Google has used to build their unfair advantage in the advertising market.
 
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Plain and simple, it's the user base. When people who aren't involved in big business think about tech, they think that acquisitions are about technology. Rarely it is about tech. A little less rarely it is to stop a potential competitor from getting a foothold. Far and away, most often, in tech or any other type of business it is about customers/market share and/or revenue.

If it were only about tech, OpenAI would do exactly as you say, fork a copy of Chromium or Firefox.
I get that, and it makes sense, but apparently ChatGPT has 500 million users a week. It seems like they have a built in user base if they make the ChatGPT app itself a wrapper around Chromium. 🤷‍♂️
 
If this happens, I might even start using Chromium again. Only Firefox( Gecko) and Safari(WebKit) are left in the world competing with the adware(data collection machine) currently known as Chrome
 
I don't see this ending well. A number of factors are in play:

1.) Anyone who can afford to buy Chrome is probably some huge company people will be fearful of owning and misusing the dominant browser. That company will use (and possibly sell) user data. The browser will default to directing users to that company's products and services.

2.) The user base seems to want browsers to be free, so companies will find ways to monetize browsers, just as FaceBook does user data. These are businesses, not charities, producing polished, quality software products and maintaining them is expensive and requires strong technical expertise, and that's an investment for the company, not a donation to the public.

And companies out to turn a buck tend to turn our more polished products that the user base likes. Otherwise, why doesn't Linux dominate the desktop and notebook computer market? What about those free Microsoft Office alternatives? Why is FireFox, a fairly well-known brand name browser, not dominant?

3.) Much of the public doesn't like hair-splitting over browsers, the way some here might agonize over a base M4 vs. M4 Pro Mac Mini and how much internal storage and RAM to go with. They just want it to 'work right out of the box.' 'Googling' is synonymous with online search, and for all the criticism it gets, a lot of people are happy with it.

So one browser will dominate the market, likely a swing back to Microsoft Edge if Chrome dies. Remember the decades of animosity against Microsoft, seen as a monopolistic company bent on being #1 (and near only) in anything related to computing? Threats to break it up?

Will the world be a better place with Edge dominating over Chrome?

4.) What company is willing and able to buy Chrome and use it to make money that's not going to run afoul of governmental and public sentiment just as Google has? Microsoft? Meta? Maybe Elon Musk could do it, I'm sure that'd go over great!

5.) What is the rationale for prohibiting Google from creating another browser, the idea it's 'wrong' to have a product you can leverage for the benefit of the other? Hah! WordPerfect (when it was its own thing, instead of being passed around by various companies) might've thought that about MicroSoft Office! Lotus 1-2-3 might've thought the same, about Excel in Office. I doubt that leveraging one product to benefit profits from another is rare. What next, McDonalds can't ask if you want fries with that?

6.) Browsers are generally free, there are several widely available, and some get pushed by big companies (e.g.: Edge and Safari, and FireFox is well known), and yet...the public chose Chrome.

7.) We benefit from heavy market dominance at times. When I visit PC Magazine online using Safari, fairly often when loading an article it basically stalls out, or parts of the page load slow or go blank as I try to scroll, it's often quit a mess. But I fire up Chrome and it works fine.

Similarly, I'm okay with Google - I have no urge to 'Yahoo!' And I don't 'Bing' things much.

8.) Don't create unnecessary problems and aggravations for the user base. I mainly use Safari; that way my address info. and other things auto-fill online forms. When our kid uses my Mac desktop instead of her notebook PC, Safari is set to auto-login to her Google Classroom account for school, but then Google Maps doesn't work for me because she doesn't have some sort of permission from the school (and trying to log her out and me in didn't fix anything), so I use Google Chrome when I want to use Google Maps or post replies to YouTube videos.

Like a lot of people, I have little workarounds I've concocted for home computing problems over the years. Maybe not the best ways of doing things, but it's working. The government suddenly messing with a product used and enjoyed by hordes of people sounds disruptive.
 
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