Cali Lewis is hyperverbal. She needs to slow down.
Cali Lewis is just like the iPhone 2.0.2 software release. She's, dare I say it, "snappier"!
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OpenClip.org Offers Copy and Paste for iPhone Across Apps
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Cali Lewis is just like the iPhone 2.0.2 software release. She's, dare I say it, "snappier"!
Or any gen 1 Nanos.
I assume the OpenClip works by writing a temp file of a predefined structure. That's pretty clever thinking, in fact not a bad way to implement the "real" one.
clever ?
that's how copy paste has worked since 1982 (lisa)
no, the problem is not how to share the data, but how to handle selection with a device that has no mousedown.
OpenClip is a great initiative, and, once Apple has figured out how to do Copy and Paste right OpenClip can be updated to use Apple's API.
don't believe their excuse about priority, it is one, but it's very complex.
their number one priority is usability, and, think about it, is it really possible to have an intuitive version of copy paste for a pointing (no click) device ?
i don't think so, it will always involve some acrobatic use of two fingers, it might be easy to use, but will never be easy to learn, or remember,or elegant.
(ease of use = easy to learn, remember, use, elegant and productive)
i think apple feels pretty dumb now, that people are doing this on their own. C'mon Apple. I am sure its not that hard. If Zack can do it, you can perfect it.
But, I would love seeing iPhone running smoothly before Copy&Paste though.
it is VERY VERY hard !
We definitely need the Copy & Paste from Apple themselves. This way, it should work on everything that we need it for. Email, etc.
Unlike some of the doubters here, I can readily see Apple hiring this developer or purchasing their software from them to integrate it into their own software. They've been trying to figure out a good way to make it work: this is it. And we've seen from previous examples that Apple's not afraid to buy up something and integrate it into their own products or build it up to a whole new product (SoundJam, anyone?)
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Cali Lewis is hyperverbal. She needs to slow down.
That I don't mind, I hate when people talk slow. It's how cute she was that really distracted me.
This is pretty neat and I figured that this shouldn't be hard to implement given 3rd party apps use the same structure. The real "meat and potatoes" if you will is being able to copy from web pages into emails, Twitter to Facebook, Contacts to a LJ post, etc.
Please Apple, PLEASE. Elevate the priority on this one. Sheesh.
Please Apple, PLEASE. Elevate the priority on this one. Sheesh.
Are you suggesting that Apple designed the iPhone's UI without having support for copy&paste in mind, and thus need to "figure out" how to retrofit it into the UI? That's hilarious.
I would guess Apple has half a dozen implementations of copy/paste cooked up in the lab right now, 3 of which are probably up for consideration, and 1 is so radical that we all didn't think of it before (but may not be ready for prime time).
The only thing Apple is "figuring out" is which one to use. Jobs and company like to use things before they go into any product—I would guess even more so with such an integral feature like copy/paste—so what better test than to try each out for awhile and decide if it's worth keeping?
These 3rd party developers may have stumbled upon gum but is it worth chewing on forever? That's what Apple has to kick around now. And it has to be intuitive enough that developers and everyone else is like "OK, that's it. I couldn't have done it any better."
So it's not just copy/paste... it's getting the paradigm to work well so they don't have to change it up. What Apple implements is likely going to be there 10 years from now just like the cut/copy/paste commands in the menu bar today.
The only thing Apple is "figuring out" is which one to use. Jobs and company like to use things before they go into any product—I would guess even more so with such an integral feature like copy/paste—so what better test than to try each out for awhile and decide if it's worth keeping?
These 3rd party developers may have stumbled upon gum but is it worth chewing on forever? That's what Apple has to kick around now. And it has to be intuitive enough that developers and everyone else is like "OK, that's it. I couldn't have done it any better."
So it's not just copy/paste... it's getting the paradigm to work well so they don't have to change it up. What Apple implements is likely going to be there 10 years from now just like the cut/copy/paste commands in the menu bar today.
Let's make this serious
The more serious this gets the more likely Apple will seriously look into it. IF some serious developers, say AOL & Facebook, jump on board can you imagine Apple's reaction. It would be serious to say the least. Proximi made good strides with MagicPad and their demo video, but now thanks to Zac White's addition, we have a seriously viable solution. Let's seriously support every developer to add this framework to their app. By the way, I AM SERIOUS!
The more serious this gets the more likely Apple will seriously look into it. IF some serious developers, say AOL & Facebook, jump on board can you imagine Apple's reaction. It would be serious to say the least. Proximi made good strides with MagicPad and their demo video, but now thanks to Zac White's addition, we have a seriously viable solution. Let's seriously support every developer to add this framework to their app. By the way, I AM SERIOUS!
Unbelievable. One of the most used set of commands in any program and Apple doesn't consider it a priority for their iPT or iP.
Well, someday, when you actually want to start using your device for more than "OMG, Liz, I'm at the mall and like, you've got to see Jenny's shoes, LOL, you'll be able to, thanks to these guys.
My guess - apple has already created and is testing 4 or 5 different ways. Apple knows where they're going more than most and they know if a cerain function or gesture is going to interfere with future incarnations of the iphone or os. This is a big deal and they only get one shot to get it right. They shoul've done it right the first time.
I think they dug a hole that was deeper than they realized with the first version without copy/paste. They used all the most intuitive gestures and furnctions for things like the loop. Thinking they'll just come out with another way soon. I think they've painted themselves in a corner and they really have to fix the problem right. The right way would probably be to change the loop function somewhat. Other methods are bandaids.
Should've been done before the original release. That's the bottom line.
How about on your PC? Many of us use the iPhone like a mini PC that happens to also be a phone.
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Edit a post: Gosh I'd like to reply to just that one little sentence on my iphone without having to quote the entire 2 page diatribe! Or without holding down the delete key for 3 minutes and hoping I don't delete too much and have to retype it!
How many more do you need? I've said it before. The number one reason the computer word processor was better than a typewriter was the ability the rearrange. To copy and paste. Typing anything, that is, communicating, on the iphone is akin to a typewriter. And isn't the iphone supposed to be a communication device? Not a typewriter.
If Apple doesn't add a CnP system before the end of the year they are going to end up losing out on implementing their own method. Here's why: people will replace the core applications with ones that are OpenCopy compatible. The big issue is that you can't caopy text from an email or webpage as those are the two most used apps.
There's really no incentive for someone to create and sell/give away a new mail application or web browser because Apple's "free" solution works quite well (or at least well enough). But, if someone created a mobile Mozilla, or if Opera ported Opera mini to the iPhone and supported OpenClip people would buy it. Same goes for a web browser that worked more or less like Safari but supported OpenClip.
Once people start moving away from Apple's bundled software for a "superior" solution it's going to end up costing Apple in the end; on the other hand Apple with take 30% cut of those sales, so maybe it'll be in their best interest.
Either way, if Apple wants to do something they need to do it now or risk being left behind. Semi-related note, why are there no other companies releasing web browsers for the iPhone? Mobile Safari laid a great framework for how handheld web apps should work, but there's lots of room for improvement, both in features and in stability. Seems like Opera or Mozzila would be all over the platform as a way to "get in early" and avoid an IE like situation.
There's really no incentive for someone to create and sell/give away a new mail application or web browser because Apple's "free" solution works quite well (or at least well enough). But, if someone created a mobile Mozilla, or if Opera ported Opera mini to the iPhone and supported OpenClip people would buy it. Same goes for a web browser that worked more or less like Safari but supported OpenClip.
Once people start moving away from Apple's bundled software for a "superior" solution it's going to end up costing Apple in the end; on the other hand Apple with take 30% cut of those sales, so maybe it'll be in their best interest.
Either way, if Apple wants to do something they need to do it now or risk being left behind. Semi-related note, why are there no other companies releasing web browsers for the iPhone? Mobile Safari laid a great framework for how handheld web apps should work, but there's lots of room for improvement, both in features and in stability. Seems like Opera or Mozzila would be all over the platform as a way to "get in early" and avoid an IE like situation.
What I love about this is that it finally presents a complete visual discussion of the problem space.
Wonderful piece of work, and I have to think that having it out there could influence the direction.
One criticism...
Why the extra step to copy? (click-hold on a selected block.)
Most Unix terminals have long supported the idea that simply selecting text immediately puts it onto the clipboard. This is a widely used standard and works really well.
Why not just immediately put selected text on a clipboard?
Wonderful piece of work, and I have to think that having it out there could influence the direction.
One criticism...
Why the extra step to copy? (click-hold on a selected block.)
Most Unix terminals have long supported the idea that simply selecting text immediately puts it onto the clipboard. This is a widely used standard and works really well.
Why not just immediately put selected text on a clipboard?