Those are all x86/windows based tests. Pretty much 100% irrelevant compared to how PowerPC systems perform and move information around.
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OpenMark results on PowerPC Macs
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Those are all x86/windows based tests. Pretty much 100% irrelevant compared to how PowerPC systems perform and move information around.
Having waited allmost 2h for the bench to complete I stopped OpenMark. One observation I want to share, though: I found that when the screen goes black and you then move the mouse you can shortly see a higher FPS (in my scenario like from 370 to 500). Could it be, that the test has to be done without energy-savings? Because, when the screen is black for 1h and the FPS is constantly higher during that time, the average value will be higher, too.
How long does the test actually take, btw?
How long does the test actually take, btw?
Now, I got it. It was quiet irritating for me, that you see a moving picture and a changing FPS, but that this does not mean, that the test is running. I clicked on run benchmark and then everything went fine.
Here is my ibook G4 12", 1,33GHz (late05), 320GB HDD, 1,5GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 32MB (ATY, M12).
Note that OpenMark says it is a 9600 XT! Compare my result to the 1,5GHz Book posted above, though same graphic, it has double score (not only GPU-dependant?)
Here is my ibook G4 12", 1,33GHz (late05), 320GB HDD, 1,5GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 32MB (ATY, M12).
Note that OpenMark says it is a 9600 XT! Compare my result to the 1,5GHz Book posted above, though same graphic, it has double score (not only GPU-dependant?)
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With such different scores in similar situations.... and low scores for good spec computers.... its time to ask ourselves... "does this test suck?" Maybe the answer is simple "yes" and we should not try to make the weird results fit together.
I see very consistent results. All of them reflect the GPU they have and nothing more.
If you are not happy with all these results then just don't participate in the thread I started. Your lack of understanding this doesn't speak for the rest of us. You don't get to make all the demands you do in all your own threads in one of mine.
For a 9550 his score represents that GPU perfectly.
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The score you mention above is actually a PowerBook 15" with a Radeon 9700 although it's listed as a 9600. A 9700 is of course going to beat a 9550.
Fun with old GPUs
Hey guys,
As the original developer of both the 7800GTX 512 and the 7800GS, it is still fun to see people awed by the power we brought to PPC Mac GPUs. I gave the PPC Macs their fastest GPUs, but none of my family or friends will ever understand what that means or why anyone should care. Glad someone does.
The GTX 512 is something I am especially proud of, as the current version is the same one I wrote 5 or 6 years ago. A little known fact is that it is only truly fast in Tiger. In Leopard it loses some of it's power. Open mark will confirm this if you find someone with the card and both OSs.
The 7800GS is a sweet card. The rom out now is improved over my original.
Another little known fact, even the vaunted 7800GT only shows 256 Megs of RAM, despite having 512. We never got an AGP GPU to run with 512 Megs. My parents have my old G5 Dual 2.0 to surf the web and balance their checkbook. They don't know that the odd Gainward card with it's giant fan is a true rarity. I would estimate that fewer than 10 of these are in PPC Macs anywhere.
The 6200 cards were nice. I assisted Arti in developing them. We gave the Cube a Core Image card that ran 2x AGP and for that I am glad. Also a decent card for other G4s.
lots of fun at the time and neat to see that people are still benefiting from the hours I spent on the 7800 cards. The first time my 7800 GS booted into a grey screen and spinning Apple, I knew we had a new "fastest" card. Was really a lot of fun.
Hey guys,
As the original developer of both the 7800GTX 512 and the 7800GS, it is still fun to see people awed by the power we brought to PPC Mac GPUs. I gave the PPC Macs their fastest GPUs, but none of my family or friends will ever understand what that means or why anyone should care. Glad someone does.
The GTX 512 is something I am especially proud of, as the current version is the same one I wrote 5 or 6 years ago. A little known fact is that it is only truly fast in Tiger. In Leopard it loses some of it's power. Open mark will confirm this if you find someone with the card and both OSs.
The 7800GS is a sweet card. The rom out now is improved over my original.
Another little known fact, even the vaunted 7800GT only shows 256 Megs of RAM, despite having 512. We never got an AGP GPU to run with 512 Megs. My parents have my old G5 Dual 2.0 to surf the web and balance their checkbook. They don't know that the odd Gainward card with it's giant fan is a true rarity. I would estimate that fewer than 10 of these are in PPC Macs anywhere.
The 6200 cards were nice. I assisted Arti in developing them. We gave the Cube a Core Image card that ran 2x AGP and for that I am glad. Also a decent card for other G4s.
lots of fun at the time and neat to see that people are still benefiting from the hours I spent on the 7800 cards. The first time my 7800 GS booted into a grey screen and spinning Apple, I knew we had a new "fastest" card. Was really a lot of fun.
MacVidCards:
You worked on developing the cards themselves or the drivers? Either way thats amazing! You hint at having some faith in OpenMark and it's results. Have you used it a lot?
I find it very accurate in reflection of each GPU shown here. To my eyes all the scores in this thread accurately depict the GPU in question.
I have a Geforce 6200 256MB and it plays many games from 1998-2005 quite well. ie. BF 1942, C&C Generals, Quake 4, Halo.
Great info! Thanks for all that!
You worked on developing the cards themselves or the drivers? Either way thats amazing! You hint at having some faith in OpenMark and it's results. Have you used it a lot?
I find it very accurate in reflection of each GPU shown here. To my eyes all the scores in this thread accurately depict the GPU in question.
I have a Geforce 6200 256MB and it plays many games from 1998-2005 quite well. ie. BF 1942, C&C Generals, Quake 4, Halo.
Great info! Thanks for all that!
Dude, the Gainward Bliss shouldn't be balancing checkbooks. I have a perfectly good Rage 128 that I'd be willing to trade them (It's quite good at balancing checkbooks).
Seriously, I'm in awe. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your work.
Macvidcards: this truly is humbling and if I was wearing a hat, id take that off for you in respect. It's a shame that the rom for the Mac modded gtx 7800 is nowhere to be found as I am certain that would be the card to have. Any chance of being able to post that rom? Just for concervation sake at least anyways as otherwise it may disappear into the void, and /that/ would be a shame.
Regards and hope you hang around a bit
Regards and hope you hang around a bit
the GTX is, the 7800GTX512 is the fastest card for the PPC Pcie PM, but the rom is not available... thus the above post...
the 7800GTX512 has more pipelines than the fx4500, i thought they were the identical card, but Sheepy666 pointed me in the right direction. It also has faster capable ram modules.
the 7800GTX512 has more pipelines than the fx4500, i thought they were the identical card, but Sheepy666 pointed me in the right direction. It also has faster capable ram modules.
nVidia
Series: Quadro FX
GPU: G70
Release Date: 2005-07-28
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 450 MHz
Memory Clock: 525 MHz (1050 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 33.6 GB/sec
Shader Operations: 10800 MOperations/sec
Pixel Fill Rate: 7200 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 10800 MTexels/sec
Vertex Operations: 900 MVertices/sec
Details
Noise Level: Loud
Framebuffer: 512 MB
Memory Type: GDDR3
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 9.0c
OpenGL Compliance: 2.0
PS/VS Version: 3.0/3.0
Process: 110 nm
Fragment Pipelines: 24
Vertex Pipelines: 8
Texture Units: 24
Raster Operators 16
and the 7800GTX512.....
nVidia
Series: GeForce 7
GPU: G70
Release Date: 2005-11-14
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 550 MHz
Memory Clock: 850 MHz (1700 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 54.4 GB/sec
Shader Operations: 13200 MOperations/sec
Pixel Fill Rate: 8800 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 13200 MTexels/sec
Vertex Operations: 1100 MVertices/sec
Details
Noise Level: Moderate
Framebuffer: 512 MB
Memory Type: GDDR3
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 9.0c
OpenGL Compliance: 2.0
PS/VS Version: 3.0/3.0
Process: 110 nm
Fragment Pipelines: 24
Vertex Pipelines: 8
Texture Units: 24
Raster Operators 16
hmmm. same pipes, same card, unless there are memory spec differences...
oh and i didnt make that crap up, comes from http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-7800-GTX-512MB-PCI-E-card-357.htmlas does the other...
Series: Quadro FX
GPU: G70
Release Date: 2005-07-28
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 450 MHz
Memory Clock: 525 MHz (1050 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 33.6 GB/sec
Shader Operations: 10800 MOperations/sec
Pixel Fill Rate: 7200 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 10800 MTexels/sec
Vertex Operations: 900 MVertices/sec
Details
Noise Level: Loud
Framebuffer: 512 MB
Memory Type: GDDR3
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 9.0c
OpenGL Compliance: 2.0
PS/VS Version: 3.0/3.0
Process: 110 nm
Fragment Pipelines: 24
Vertex Pipelines: 8
Texture Units: 24
Raster Operators 16
and the 7800GTX512.....
nVidia
Series: GeForce 7
GPU: G70
Release Date: 2005-11-14
Interface: PCI-E x16
Core Clock: 550 MHz
Memory Clock: 850 MHz (1700 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 54.4 GB/sec
Shader Operations: 13200 MOperations/sec
Pixel Fill Rate: 8800 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 13200 MTexels/sec
Vertex Operations: 1100 MVertices/sec
Details
Noise Level: Moderate
Framebuffer: 512 MB
Memory Type: GDDR3
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 9.0c
OpenGL Compliance: 2.0
PS/VS Version: 3.0/3.0
Process: 110 nm
Fragment Pipelines: 24
Vertex Pipelines: 8
Texture Units: 24
Raster Operators 16
hmmm. same pipes, same card, unless there are memory spec differences...
oh and i didnt make that crap up, comes from http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-7800-GTX-512MB-PCI-E-card-357.htmlas does the other...
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I would like to know that too. From your text, MacVidCards, I assume you are not affiliated to Nvidia, but are a free working person, like those on strangedogs were, right? So you took the Cards offered by Apple or NVidia and wrote a better ROM for us, that could be downloaded on the internet, but was not initially used by Apple's part suppliers. - Or how did it work?
BTW, I thought the GTX 512MB, was never an Nvidia/Apple offer for the market but only existing as flashed PC version, is that right? That would confimr my assumption, that you are one of those great ROM writers on the net and not a person working for a company (e.g. ASUS, Nvidia).
Sorry, for asking such stuff. I do not want to make you feel I doubt what you said, where I live, we are not just as common to celebrities. I know, that you can see Hollywood stars in Walmart or something, in the US, but please understand, that were I live rich/famous people shut themselves off from the public. So, understand, that I am not questioning your work, but just want to understand it a bit more. It is also common in our area, that people do not tell in internet forums, what they achieved in life. Especially, that people just sign up to a forum and one of their first posts is, that they have done something great.
But, why not? I could imagine, that you saw us talking about the cards, and were just happy, that someone appreciates your work, and you just wanted to share your happiness. (Understand me, its perhaps just a cultural difference and I do not want to blame you for pretending something.)
And about the Tiger compatibility thing. I hear often, that everything on PowerMacs work better with Tiger than with Leopard. It seems Apple just did not care of Leopard being efficient on PPCs, with Intels on the way.
Ok, talking about the Gainward, I assume, that you are talking about a flashed one, right? Someone told me about the 7800GS, that the best to have for flashing would be the Gainward Bliss 7800GS Special Edition Dual DVI (not GS+ (Plus)). Which has 512MB, though only 256MB are shown PowerPC Macs.
I am confused is it the 7800GS, 512MB, AGP flashed, or the 7800GT OEM BTO version, you are talking about. Since I always thought the Apple OEM/BTO cards were manufactured by ASUS.
What/Who is arti,
I guess you do not mean ATI, since you are talking about the "Nvidia 6200"?Sorry, for asking like a stupid one. It is not disrespect, it is just missing of knowledge on my side and being raised in another cultural area.
That helps me confirm what I have thought for a couple years now. That the 9600 and GF 6200 are very close in performance. When I had a dual 1.42 MDD I had a 9600 vs. my current Sawtooth/6200 config now I see very similar 2D/3D performance.
The 9600 does have a faster clocked GPU though at 400MHz vs. 300-350 for the 6200's.
I just noticed that it actually says 9550. I never even looked as I assumed that like Cox it reported it as a 9600. Wonder what makes his report it wrong.