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Opera is an Internet advertising company that happens to still maintain the little old browser of the same name. If you want a chicom ad and tracking business to read all of your web activity, sure go ahead and install this.
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Being based in Great Britain is about the only downside (their surveillance agencies feel more entitled than the U.S. 3 letter agencies).

It's worth reading the history of Echelon and the Five Eyes. For global surveillance purposes, US, UK, CA, AU, NZ are a single entity.
 
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I find that the Safari integration with everything on my Mac makes it difficult to use other browsers. What is the penetration of browsers in the Mac world? How much does Google Chrome have? And Opera? I can only imagine that they are very low...
 
"...making Opera one the first major browsers to include one as standard."

* one of
 
PIA Private Internet Access about $ 35 a year, responsive company and works extremely well (Over 2 years )
Some financial institutions will not let you log in, as they detect the "re-directing" of your connection. So, temporarily disconnect and then re-connect.
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See my other post about PIA Private Internet Access. $ 35.00 apr. nothing shady.

Cheers, I already use a (Nord)VPN though.:)
 
So you guys are so scared of China that you are willing to use a non secure browser on public wifi? If you are on a public wi-fi aren't you in essence completely unsecure? I get the fear of china knowing your information, because you are very important to them, but what about just being able to be online at a starbucks not concerned with someone lifting your credit card information right next to you? We are so scared of the big bad guy in the corner that we ignore the little smart guy sitting right behind us.
 
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Another thing is I need a systemwide VPN, this one only has a Browser VPN as far as I understand.

Yes, but it's important to understand the difference. Are you trying to protect your identity, or trying to keep safe from 'man in the middle' attacks?

The problem with most VPNs, is that today's OSs constantly chatter with all sorts of services, and start doing so immediately upon internet connection, before a VPN can even be established (unless the VPN has some way to tell the OS to stop all traffic, make the internet connection, then make the VPN connection, then start traffic... I'm guessing some high-end corporate VPNs do this).

So, say you're at the airport and you turn on your WiFi. It's a good idea to use a VPN, but before you can establish the connection, it's already connected to Apple, Dropbox, and XYZ service. Most of these use encrypted login, but still, if you connect to a compromised network, those packets (while encrypted) will be in the hands of someone.

If you're trying to protect your identity though, the VPN is simply a pipe in the middle. Even though you're virtually at some other IP address than your home/office, you've connected to Dropbox, Apple, etc. as well as that site you're trying to be identity-free on. That site won't make the connection (unless you use a browser with cookies that could link you), but anyone with aggregate data could, as the same IP, at the same point in time, made a connection to the secret site AND John Doe connected to his Dropbox account. In other words, a government or someone with access to the right aggregate data could figure it out.

With a VPN built into a single app, now your overall data (Apple, Dropbox, etc.) comes from your real IP address, while *just* the data from that browser session is coming from that virtual/alternate IP address. That is actually safer in terms of identity, so long as the VPN/browser combo can be trusted not to release the records.

But, these are two very different concerns... identity anonymity vs man-in-the-middle attack protection.

This is now a Chinese browser. I'm so conflicted over it because it was finally becoming good again after the Chromium reboot. Storing my user credentials and using VPN's with some Chinese product? I'm just using Vivaldi now. I don't have a good feeling about this at all.

I thought I'd read it was possible there would be a sale. Has it actually happened? But, even so, I guess I'd trust China more than the USA at this point, in terms of privacy protection. :(

Also, *NEVER* use the capabilities of these browsers to store credentials (or your OS, for that matter... like Keychain). Use a password manager like PasswordWallet by Selznick (my favorite) or 1Password (preferably the non-cloud version if you're really paranoid).

I installed Vivaldi the other day, and aside from the convenience of Safari and it's integration with the OS, it's my next most favorite browser already.

No access except the government. There is no such thing as privacy in a Communist country. Amazing the lack of knowledge people have in a knowledge based Era.

Probably in history 1,000 years later (if the planet is still around) they will say "The Information Age" was when the world forgot or understood the least when the most information was available....but was also the most filtered or the most skewed.

Well, there's no such thing as privacy in a 'free' country either, anymore. While China has no doubt, has a pretty bad track record, it's more out in the open. In the USA, there's a perception of being safe, and a lot of propaganda to that effect, but in reality, it's probably approaching China in the level of corruption at the top gov't level.

But, for sure, we've got such a huge amount of info and access to it, yet it seems we're about the most intellectually challenged and propagandized (despite the capability to see it) people in history.

I would rephrase the comment in the article like this:
If people truly knew how a vpn worked, they would think harder about who the operator of the vpn is and what they can do.

Bingo.

I see the recommendation for PIA, do you guys have any others that would be good for iOS and MacOS both.

I've been pretty happy with IPVanish, though to be honest, I've not carefully looked into their ownership or background. It came highly recommended by a good friend who is usually in the know about this kind of stuff. I've been with them for about 3 years now.

As a service, it works well, has a lot of location choices, and is usually quite speedy. And, yes, it supports both MacOS and iOS. They even have client apps for each (I've had a bit of issue with the iOS one, but part of the problem could be my iPad 2... as it's become a bit unstable for just about everything since iOS 8.)
 
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So you guys are so scared of China that you are willing to use a non secure browser on public wifi? If you are on a public wi-fi aren't you in essence completely unsecure? I get the fear of china knowing your information, because you are very important to them, but what about just being able to be online at a starbucks not concerned with someone lifting your credit card information right next to you? We are so scared of the big bad guy in the corner that we ignore the little smart guy sitting right behind us.

It's not an either or case. You should worry about both, and Chinese compromised Opera is far from the only VPN solution
 
Apple needs to get on the stick and leverage all those data centers to allow VPN to be built into their devices and routers and then use their stores as exit nodes.
 
Apple needs to get on the stick and leverage all those data centers to allow VPN to be built into their devices and routers and then use their stores as exit nodes.

They wouldn't get very far in doing that, even if they wanted to. If the powers that be aren't happy with encryption, imagine how happy they'd be with universal VPN. (Unless, of course, said company follows the program of turning all the data over w/o letting the users know. They'd actually *love* that.)
 
Also, *NEVER* use the capabilities of these browsers to store credentials (or your OS, for that matter... like Keychain). Use a password manager like PasswordWallet by Selznick (my favorite) or 1Password (preferably the non-cloud version if you're really paranoid).
Apple Keychain is perfectly safe and secure to use as a password manager, arguably more so than 1Password and the other 3rd party ones.

what you're doing is simply fear-mongering. it's not as dire as you make it out to be. knowledge and some simple steps are all you need to be secure.

if you're paranoid about big brother, you/we don't know the half of it.
 
Apple Keychain is perfectly safe and secure to use as a password manager, arguably more so than 1Password and the other 3rd party ones.

what you're doing is simply fear-mongering. it's not as dire as you make it out to be. knowledge and some simple steps are all you need to be secure.

if you're paranoid about big brother, you/we don't know the half of it.

No, actually it's not because it's tied to the OS and Apple's cloud. If someone breaks that, they have access to the data. *I* control access and the data files for my PasswordWallet. That includes not only security, but how I handle backup and archival of that data. If something goes wrong in Apple's sync, it might destroy data I don't even know is gone until it's too late. (Or, I suppose to put it another way, I trust the dev of PasswordWallet WAY more than I trust bumbling Apple. And, the implementation is technically superior and safer in terms of security.)

re: big brother - it's worse than many of us realize. And, whether it's big brother or cyber criminals, if you don't at least do a bit to make it harder for them, you're more likely to become the low hanging fruit.

Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn't mention Apple's more recent UI stupidity around dialog popups that pretty much train the average user to be phished.
 
I'd like to know if the Opera Mini browser in mobile phones does use VPN by default.

I don't like this VPN thing, unless it's my own VPN, so I use Opera Mini on my Android phone because of their built in ad blocker, but I haven't read anything regarding VPNs, nor VPNs switches on the settings.[/QUOTE]

As of right now we have a similar app available for Android it is called Opera VPN for Android. :)

You will find the link below:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.vpn&hl=en
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"If people knew how the internet truly works, I believe they all would use a VPN,"

Says a recently hacked company....

Hey, your house will be safe with me watching over it, I have just been robbed myself........that's my credential!

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Full details here: http://www.opera.com/.../08/opera-server-breach-incident/. We (Opera) were concerned it could affect sync users (only) so they reset all passwords and it was quickly blocked.
 
Full details here: http://www.opera.com/.../08/opera-server-breach-incident/. We (Opera) were concerned it could affect sync users (only) so they reset all passwords and it was quickly blocked.
Wich is like to say.... hey the robber was fast tha alarm rang fast and we secured the house.......but just in case change your locks.... oh and we don't know what was robbed....(because something was robbed).

While I applaud Opera for being "open" about it it still does not change the fact that selling themselves as the "guard" right after a theft doesn't sound like a nice idea :D.

I mean how quick is quick... how much of "little data" is little, and what might be "little / quick" to you might not be for your users.

I could say "Oh hey you have millions of data in my servers, but they stole just the credit card credentials....consider yourself lucky compared to what they could have gotten!"
 
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I'd like to know if the Opera Mini browser in mobile phones does use VPN by default.

I don't like this VPN thing, unless it's my own VPN, so I use Opera Mini on my Android phone because of their built in ad blocker, but I haven't read anything regarding VPNs, nor VPNs switches on the settings.

As of right now we have a similar app available for Android it is called Opera VPN for Android. :)

Precisely, what I don't want is my traffic being routed through some external server on a VPN Service. I just want a browser with AdBlock and without VPN routing. Thank you.
 
So you guys are so scared of China that you are willing to use a non secure browser on public wifi? If you are on a public wi-fi aren't you in essence completely unsecure? I get the fear of china knowing your information, because you are very important to them, but what about just being able to be online at a starbucks not concerned with someone lifting your credit card information right next to you? We are so scared of the big bad guy in the corner that we ignore the little smart guy sitting right behind us.
I have no fear of china, I just don't want them using American technology, china is the worlds most evil nation and the whole world is up it's ass!
 
This is now a Chinese browser. I'm so conflicted over it because it was finally becoming good again after the Chromium reboot. Storing my user credentials and using VPN's with some Chinese product? I'm just using Vivaldi now. I don't have a good feeling about this at all.
That browser is gorgeous.
 
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