My early 2011 MBP is definitely dying. Currently running 16gig RAM, 750gig HD, 2.2GHz i7, Radeon 6750M 1gig. I am looking at an offical Apple refurbished 15", 2015 May, 16gig DDrR, 256 PCIe drive, Intel Iris Pro, around $1600-1700 USD (I am in Asia, not USA) Latest MBP 2.8Ghz is equivalent of around $2400 Non touchbar 2.2Ghz with 2 TB ports is about $1850-$1900 Main use: I used to use the "pro" aspects more, but now it's primarily: - web development - Photoshop / Illustrator - Logic - Some Nuke and DaVince Resolve. Possibly some Houdini 3D. As far as I know, I can upgrade the SSD on the 2015 but not the 2017. Correct? I have zero need for the touch bard. Any opinions Re: the price vs the age etc. I also have a bunch of USB stuff and Firewire audio interface and backup drive.