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Optic ID: Apple Explains Vision Pro's Iris Authentication System
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im wondering how we can have cameras on our phones...
anyway, i have an imac and there is space behind camera to fit 10 of these components, but it still doesnt have faceid...
Phones are thicker than the MacBook lid.
Might be a distance thing. Face ID doesnt work if you are too far away and iMacs on average might be far enough away sop Face ID wouldn't work reliably. Since Apple only uses one authentication method, they went with the more reliable one on the iMac.
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Let me add to this! Read an amazing essay on what drove the path to that outcome:
From source over here: https://perell.com/essay/boeing-737-max/
TLDR; (butchering it): Basically the usual nonsense where corporate, bean counters and lawyers run the shop (instead of engineers or people capable in the specific domain) and absolutely zero risks nor innovation paths are taken because there’s no need. Pinching savings down to the penny and skimming on absolutely everything.
The same reasons why every new phone tends to feel like the previous one and no more Golden Gates bridges or Empire States or massive road infrastructures endeavors haven’t been built again… on that essay they mention how air travel totally stagnated and even went backwards regarding travel speed.
An amazing read.
Not so sure about this source.
Hi, I'm David Perell.
I write, host a podcast, and run a writing school called Write of Passage.
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And while they're at it, they should do the same with maybe initially Face ID for the next MacBooks, iMac, and at least maybe the Pro Display
Don't get me wrong, having Touch ID for the keyboards is nice now, but even after washing my hands after they get dirty, I find that the Magic Keyboard's Touch ID sensor is quite picky compared to my only other device that still has Touch ID (6th gen iPad mini)
The PIN is always more important than the biometric. It is also predictable; it is either right or wrong, and never 85% right. The PIN doesn't slowly change over time like your face of fingers or eyes, with the last 8 slowly fading into a 9. Every biometric unlock has the real possibility that the backing biometrics template could be altered.
That predictability means they can use it to generate the hardware unlock key. Every function (including the ability to change your biometric) is under the PIN.
The idea of mandating a biometric and not allowing PIN is something third party developers can do - it doesn't really make sense IMHO except edge cases like the PIN being socially engineered and phone stolen. I suspect it is actually a regulatory fall-out.
And where do you think they would put the sensors for iris scanning, if not somewhere around the screen?
FaceID requires more equipment than a camera. Even with just a front-facing camera, laptops have significantly lower quality cameras because of the lid thickness vs the thickness of an iphone.
Honestly, probably a business decision - because if it was on iMac, people would complain that much more about why it isn't on the MacBooks.
Iris scanning technology is very mature. John Daugman developed useful and secure algorithms already three decades ago. They have been used for census purposes in large parts of the world (billions of people).
There is no reason why smart phones could not use iris recognition. Fingerprints and facial features (latter being much more complicated technologically) just seem to be more convenient.
So, I fail to keep this very innovative despite Apple’s marketing blurb.
I have to enter the passcode after every guest user. It’s annoying. But you can actually touch the floating touchpad and that’s pretty cool.
My example with cameras, was that cameras are bulky devices, but they miniaturized them to fit in phones. FaceID was engineered to fit in a phone, but no one forbids apple to make imac and macbook version too. It's not an unique device that got a form and will keep it to the end of days.
As above, if it doesnt work too far away, make it to work far away. And if apple uses one authentication method, well, make 2 methods instead. few weeks ago i was setup an android phone for my mum (switched back again after having an iphone)... 300€, faceid + touch id. felt like being in middle ages with my iphone 🤦♂️
What laptops have facial recognition?
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Well i'm still complaining about not having a backlit keyboard, which macbooks has... and please dont say anything about battery! i would prefer recharge it every week, instead of every 2 months, than turning on the light to see it in the dark.
Of course they could at some point, but currently the Face ID array components are too thick for the MacBooks. Not sure why it isn’t in the iMac, unless Apple just thinks that Touch ID on the keyboard is better.
Indeed; Apple has enough margins on those keyboards (especially the TouchID keyboard) that they should probably just add a few models with even more features.What laptops have facial recognition?
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Well i'm still complaining about not having a backlit keyboard, which macbooks has... and please dont say anything about battery! i would prefer recharge it every week, instead of every 2 months, than turning on the light to see it in the dark.
Hole-punch usually refers to a circle which is just for the camera. FaceID may not work as well if it has to scan through an LCD panel, but it's possible the DI could get narrower.
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