I try to avoid Java (mostly because the updates are ridiculously intrusive, like..up there with Adobe Acrobat/Reader update annoyance levels). But I always manage to come across an app I need to run that requires it. Oh hum.
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Oracle Officially Launches Java SE 7 for OS X
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arkmannj
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Exactly why I wish they could/would release Java through the Mac App Store on Mac. Then the updates wouldn't be annoying like Adobe/Microsoft/other software updates can be.
Can't speak for the original author, but I have Snow Leopard and am stuck on it because I have MS Office 2004. I have MS Office 2004 because my IT department still has MS Exchange Server 2003 (technically, I could have Office 2008's Entourage and Office 2011's everything else, but that's a hefty donation to the Steve Ballmer Foundation that I'm not quite prepared to make). At the bright end of the tunnel is an impending move completely off Exchange Server, at which point I'll get the latest Office and the Mountain Lion. Until then, though, the chain of dependencies hanging off that Rosetta drop for Lion has me stuck.
Oh, to the point: yes, you can hack the installer to install on Snow Leopard. The issue with Snow Leopard compatibility is a font dylib used in Swing, so if you are running command-line text-only applications hacking JDK7 onto Snow Leopard should work just fine. I've got the last preview release built for Snow Leopard and the release version for Lion both installed here (easy to switch between JVMs in OS X) and they both work just fine for server-side applications.
Icy1007
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Look in System Preferences, there is a new Java Pref Pane that is dedicated to JRE 7
... compared to ... ?
Compared to the "up and coming" web languages, it's often much more efficient (at least, at some things). It all depends on what you are doing with it.
For user-facing applets / applications, I completely agree. Sun had plenty of time to get a decent UI mechanism working, and they failed miserably. And applets are just a Bad Idea whose time has long since passed.
But on the server? There's a whole industry of folks building web-scale applications in Java who would tend to disagree with your pat dismissal of the language.
Probably for the same reason that the makers of Java didn't make it for the TRS-80. They didn't think Apple was a big enough platform to be worth their while. Now it is.
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I was told by Java that it was required to be installed to use Photoshop CS4.
Initial results in: IT IS KAWA-BUNGA fast! Eclipse just turned into lightning.
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High performance,(backend) high availability systems are built in C++ or Java. Everything else is the minority.
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High performance,(backend) high availability systems are built in C++ or Java. Everything else is the minority.
mixel
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The family that plays together stays together?
I play Minecraft with wife and daughter on occasion, its one of the most creative and rewarding games once you get into it. 🙂
I'm happy to see Java getting updates. So much enterprise stuff seems to need it, and I still find the odd useful utility that needs Java.
Lucky736
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faroZ06
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No offense taken. I completely agree. Java should stay just as a web app language unless HTML5 can replace it (?).
I took AP Computer Science last year in school, and we were forced to only use Java. Ugh. What a slow turd!
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Java SE 6 is also 64-bit.
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I don't want Lion because it doesn't have Rosetta. Also, I do have a 64-bit CPU in my machine. I don't even think Snow Leopard can run on 32-bit machines. I'm not going to go mess with my Java again. Last time I tried... it was terrible.
It is time to call it quits with these crap technologies. Java, Javascript, Actionscript. They are all security nightmares due to faulty designs.
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By crap do you mean minecraft?
faroZ06
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definitive
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faroZ06
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faroZ06
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If you're talking about the programming of Minecraft, yes, it is total junk.
If you're talking about the game itself, it's only fun for about an hour in single player but great with friends for a long time. I mean, it's good enough that Mojang can get away with their terrible-ness. They are much worse than Microsoft when it comes to customer service and overall "badness".
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Not the iOS version, right? And the XBOX 360 version? I've never played the other two. What I'm saying is that something like Minecraft should NOT be made in Java. That game hogs the CPU.
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faroZ06
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Installing new versions of Java has not, in my experience, removed older versions. Of course, I can't test this with Java SE 7 because they decided not to support Snow Leopard for whatever reason.
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There's an iOS version? Where the hell have I been?
And yeah, I halfway agree with you. Minecraft would at least perform smoother on lower end machines if it were done in something besides Java. But on normal machines, it runs fairly well, and with Java being so open and modular, it makes for much easier modding.
kiljoy616
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Java is still around, but true most end users don't need it considering the sites they visit, you know normal sites like porn sights.😉
Corp. still use them since they are actually easy to write and create Applets for browsers. That more people use iOS or Android and tablets has probably been why few people see them any more. They see HTML 5, CSS, and Javascript which is a whole other ball game.
Any heavy Java programers that can add. 🙂
D.T.
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HTML5 wouldn't replace Java. HTML5 is markup/content/structure, it can be manipulated with JavaScript (not to be confused with Java) ... while Java [in the context of web development, outside of applets] is a server-side development framework. They actually live side-by-side in web application development. 🙂
A significant amount of Java [in the enterprise] isn't client, browser (applets), but server-side frameworks for web: page generation, transaction processing, middle-tier business objects, data access, and also web services that are often times consumed by iOS apps 🙂
We're actually using Java for a collection/parsing/analytic application, and it turned out to be a great choice when we factored in performance, ease of portability, readability, maintenance, code stability, resource availability, etc. 😎
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