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Organizing a Student Revolution/Protest
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I will step in with a "really?" Seriously?
Throughout my middle school years we had "homerooms", which were morning classes with kids from all grade levels. It was a nice social experience, it was fun, and it wasn't scary. It sounds to me like you are just scared, and trying to use a protest to prevent the big bad older kids from mingling with you.
And where are you pulling this 80% statistic from? Did you seriously poll a large, unbiased majority of the school? If you want to argue a point you better be prepared to ACTUALLY ARGUE IT. If you say 80%, they will want to see PROOF. Written poll/survey, names and grade levels, etc. You cant throw numbers out of your a** and expect people to listen.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but if I saw a 14 year old organizing a protest on the basis of wanting to sit with friends and not mingle with older people I would have a great laugh. Sorry.
Throughout my middle school years we had "homerooms", which were morning classes with kids from all grade levels. It was a nice social experience, it was fun, and it wasn't scary. It sounds to me like you are just scared, and trying to use a protest to prevent the big bad older kids from mingling with you.
And where are you pulling this 80% statistic from? Did you seriously poll a large, unbiased majority of the school? If you want to argue a point you better be prepared to ACTUALLY ARGUE IT. If you say 80%, they will want to see PROOF. Written poll/survey, names and grade levels, etc. You cant throw numbers out of your a** and expect people to listen.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but if I saw a 14 year old organizing a protest on the basis of wanting to sit with friends and not mingle with older people I would have a great laugh. Sorry.
You are in a school environment, being allowed to learn. Your human rights are not being violated.
I worked with kids for a while, I know how 14 year olds conduct polls. How did you do this poll, did you ask your friends or did you walk up to completely random people from ALL grades and ask for their opinion? I smell a LOT of bias in your poll just due to the fact that you are loaded with bias yourself.
I'm going to sound very negative but the OP sounds a little whiney because things are going to change.
With comments like these you'll not be taken too serious by anyone.
You might as well get use to this sooner rather then later, life throws you all sorts of curves and just because you were happy with the status quo doesn't mean it was an effective solution
Oh please you mean they quake at the site of older kids. If that is the case then they should be mixed in so both the older and younger kids can learn to work with each other.
While in of itself this is great and helps people pull together and learn, we are talking about a school and not some club. You and the other kids are there to learn.
What are they and why would it be harder. Beside harder does not equate not doing something. Going to the moon was hard, but we still did it.
Is this an assumption based on talking with your friends or was a more formal poll been taken to fully document the reception of the plan. Secondly school is not a democracy, its an institution to increase one's knowledge and equip the students to work in the "real world" Just because its not popular doesn't mean the faculty will stop doing it. Heck I'm sure 80% of the student body would love to eliminate algebra or trigonometry but that's not going to happen.
behavioral discipline should actually be coming from the home. If parents don't teach children how to act, there's no way a teacher will. Besides as a parent myself, I'd rather see the school invest in ways to increase and enhance the learning experience and this is one that looks pretty positive.
OK and you have a right to your opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion of a minor
So you're saying by putting younger kids in with you and splitting up your friends your human rights have been violated.
With comments like these you'll not be taken too serious by anyone.
Will Do
You do understand he's asking you to video it because it's going to be an utter embarassment, right? You can't back up your position with reasons why it would be a bad thing, you fail to see how this change could be helpful (I think you saying it would be scary to be in the room with Year 11's is a perfect reason for this change), and you want to turn this into a human rights issue. You thought you were scared of Year 11's before? Just wait until you try to lead a half-hearted protest of an insignificant act and then have to end up in class with them anyway.
As has been stated your human rights and the right to free speech is not being infringed upon by the school adjusting class structure. Your right to free speech means you can say you don't like it and argue for it to change, but that doesn't mean it will change in any way.
If you really want to try and do something about this and maintain a positive relationship with the school at the same time then how about talking to the administration about organizing a school sponsored debate on the subject. Let the school pick out a debate team comprised of students, parents, and staff who are in favor of the idea and you guys select a debate team of students parents, and staff who are against it. Then schedule a time and place where all who are interested can come to the event and witness the debate. This would be an excellent academic and social exercise that is educational as opposed to divisive and possibly destructive like a protest would be. Since you came up with the idea and I'm assuming would participate in the debate then it would make you look really good and you might even learn something in the process. However, keep in mind, that if you go this route then you better be prepared with solid and convincing arguments on your side.
If that doesn't work, then just challenge the principal to cage match and lay the smack down.
If you really want to try and do something about this and maintain a positive relationship with the school at the same time then how about talking to the administration about organizing a school sponsored debate on the subject. Let the school pick out a debate team comprised of students, parents, and staff who are in favor of the idea and you guys select a debate team of students parents, and staff who are against it. Then schedule a time and place where all who are interested can come to the event and witness the debate. This would be an excellent academic and social exercise that is educational as opposed to divisive and possibly destructive like a protest would be. Since you came up with the idea and I'm assuming would participate in the debate then it would make you look really good and you might even learn something in the process. However, keep in mind, that if you go this route then you better be prepared with solid and convincing arguments on your side.
If that doesn't work, then just challenge the principal to cage match and lay the smack down.
rules of being human
YOU ARE NOTHING, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU WANT - YOU GET WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN.
Protesters should be shot, even if i like the cause - protesters should be shot/tazed/watered down idc.
Mate, you're 14, don't stand up to 'the man' you will look like a little wanker in the eyes of authority and the "scary year 11s". no one will respect you.
Just drink some cement and harden the f**k up, princess
I'm just out of school myself - so my opinions are not as mature as other members on this forum.
I Honestly think - For tute sessions mixing with people of all ages would be great, I know i had that oppertunint when my house group had Meetings - for eg with some sport the yr 12's with the 7's 11's w/ 8's 10s w/9s all competed against each other, good time to hang out have fun and see the older kids are not scary, just nice and approachable. And as you say only about 5 of their age so they are bound to interact with others just for something to do if not studying.
Don't threaten authority figures in the school because at the end of the day if you lead a great revolt against the dictators that is the headmaster/mistress and co. then you will not have any support from ANYONE.
On second thought, give us your guarantee you will youtube it and promise to give us the link regardless of the out come. And say some details such as Human rights, and Fascists while relating yourself to "TankMan"
And if that fails just accuse the head of molesting you and say you won't tell your parents and the media if they do as you say.
YOU ARE NOTHING, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU WANT - YOU GET WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN.
Protesters should be shot, even if i like the cause - protesters should be shot/tazed/watered down idc.
Mate, you're 14, don't stand up to 'the man' you will look like a little wanker in the eyes of authority and the "scary year 11s". no one will respect you.
Just drink some cement and harden the f**k up, princess
I'm just out of school myself - so my opinions are not as mature as other members on this forum.
I Honestly think - For tute sessions mixing with people of all ages would be great, I know i had that oppertunint when my house group had Meetings - for eg with some sport the yr 12's with the 7's 11's w/ 8's 10s w/9s all competed against each other, good time to hang out have fun and see the older kids are not scary, just nice and approachable. And as you say only about 5 of their age so they are bound to interact with others just for something to do if not studying.
Don't threaten authority figures in the school because at the end of the day if you lead a great revolt against the dictators that is the headmaster/mistress and co. then you will not have any support from ANYONE.
On second thought, give us your guarantee you will youtube it and promise to give us the link regardless of the out come. And say some details such as Human rights, and Fascists while relating yourself to "TankMan"
And if that fails
just accuse the head of molesting you and say you won't tell your parents and the media if they do as you say.
Wow, this really made me laugh! Your human rights are being violated because you have to have a new tutor group?!? Quick, someone call the UN!
You did? Can we vet the poll for any internal bias?
What was the margin of error?
What was the standard deviation?
Can we see your chi square distribution?
If you need help, a Year 11 might help.
mt
i dont think this has been mentioned , but does the op not realize that it would be better to study in groups of unknown peers then it would be to study with distracting friends.
At the age of 14 your easily distracted if your around your friends how are you going to learn anything?
And you also need to learn how to interact with people of all ages. So having a study group with year 7 to year 11 is a great idea because of that.
Your 14 you have no rights none is going to listen to you. Your teachers are going to laugh because what do you know?
I am sure the school board and teachers know what their doing their doing this for your benefit not theirs. Teachers are teachers to help children learn their not trying to make your life miserable.
At the age of 14 your easily distracted if your around your friends how are you going to learn anything?
And you also need to learn how to interact with people of all ages. So having a study group with year 7 to year 11 is a great idea because of that.
Your 14 you have no rights none is going to listen to you. Your teachers are going to laugh because what do you know?
I am sure the school board and teachers know what their doing their doing this for your benefit not theirs. Teachers are teachers to help children learn their not trying to make your life miserable.
Aye, there can be no chi-square value here as it's only a 1x2 sample. Maybe if we wish to seek an association between answer and gender, though. Ahoy.
/statistics cop
Wow, you're such a lovely human being. Not all protests are violent and warrant violent action taken against them. But hey, when you start getting taken advantage of and find absolutely no recourse but to protest, I hope you keep that in mind.
As for the OP, too bad, so sad. I would have killed to be placed in a school like that. You need to stop being shortsighted and sweigh the benefits for yourself academically and not on the fun-time you have with friends.
most annoying group of people. objectives should be achieved through diplomatic means - not a group of nobodies demanding them. But I only hate the game not the players (well, one on one at least)
/thread hijack
Right. Diplomacy worked out so well all throughout history, am I right? Diplomacy only works when both sides want to be at the table. If the other side doesn't, then you might as well piss in the wind.
So just wait a year and it will be less scary.
Like in Harry Potter?
Is that 80% of the students, 80% of the faculty, 80% of the administration, or some kind of combination? I'm guessing it's the first group, in which case this number hardly means anything. It's like every time I talk to my middle school-aged cousin who is "very interested" in politics. Why on earth should I care about anything he says, given that he doesn't pay tax and can't vote? Honestly, just take a deep breath and live with it. In 5 years you'll realize how stupid the entire ordeal was.
I showed my roommate this thread, he works for the UN in Geneva. He almost died laughing.
As far as I can tell, your freedom of speech and expression aren't being repressed at all. You are just misinterpreting it as such because you aren't getting what you want.
Thank you, I was going to say something along those lines
There are a few issues here that need to be knocked a bit, but I will just touch on a few and give my suggestion.
When you say your freedom of speech is being repressed because "you can't do anything about it". Sorry, but that is how it is. If you don't like the school, go to another one. It really is that simple, just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom of change. If 80% of everyone involved doesn't like it, then I doubt it would get this far...
I'm a Lead Manager working for Sizzling Platter, currently positioned at a Sizzler in Bountiful UT. I have seen marketing and middle management come up with tons of ideas over the years, a lot of them great, a lot of them no so much. The worst ideas have been implemented and while I do not agree with them, as well as my peers and employees, there isn't much we can do about it but make sure we get heard. Getting heard is not starting a riot!
General idea is to get a group discussion going. Our period is ending on Sunday and this morning we had a meeting with the employees to discuss how the changes we made last period are doing and what we need to do to move forward. It was nice to listen to them voice their opinions on many different topics and I look forward to seeing how our discussion affects the employee manager relationship and our business front.
If you feel this isn't a good idea, rally the people up and let the teachers and others in charge know how you feel. Set up an open forum in the cafeteria or something where the teachers, parents, and students can discuss this tutor system and the pros and cons for it. I can tell right now you haven't really looked at all the pluses, just the negatives (mainly friends and support). Trust me, when new groups are formed, you will be surprised at what support will be formulated.
When you say your freedom of speech is being repressed because "you can't do anything about it". Sorry, but that is how it is. If you don't like the school, go to another one. It really is that simple, just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom of change. If 80% of everyone involved doesn't like it, then I doubt it would get this far...
I'm a Lead Manager working for Sizzling Platter, currently positioned at a Sizzler in Bountiful UT. I have seen marketing and middle management come up with tons of ideas over the years, a lot of them great, a lot of them no so much. The worst ideas have been implemented and while I do not agree with them, as well as my peers and employees, there isn't much we can do about it but make sure we get heard. Getting heard is not starting a riot!
General idea is to get a group discussion going. Our period is ending on Sunday and this morning we had a meeting with the employees to discuss how the changes we made last period are doing and what we need to do to move forward. It was nice to listen to them voice their opinions on many different topics and I look forward to seeing how our discussion affects the employee manager relationship and our business front.
If you feel this isn't a good idea, rally the people up and let the teachers and others in charge know how you feel. Set up an open forum in the cafeteria or something where the teachers, parents, and students can discuss this tutor system and the pros and cons for it. I can tell right now you haven't really looked at all the pluses, just the negatives (mainly friends and support). Trust me, when new groups are formed, you will be surprised at what support will be formulated.
mattscotted quite a bit of this, , but are you required to do this, under threat of loss of credit??
Otherwise it sounds like you have a nice clique going here, and you personally do not want it disrupted. Perhaps the school board wants to break this mind-set up a bit, and in so doing require you to deal with different people as you mature through school.
, but are you required to do this, under threat of loss of credit??Otherwise it sounds like you have a nice clique going here, and you personally do not want it disrupted. Perhaps the school board wants to break this mind-set up a bit, and in so doing require you to deal with different people as you mature through school.
