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direzz said:
what?
the newton was a piece of garbage!
i am so sick of this forum claiming the newton was some sort of superior device! get over it, IT WASNT SUCCESFUL.

I liked mine. Way better than the Palm PDA I got afterwards.

But that was besides my point, which is that Microsoft isn't doing anything new here.

I'm sick of this forum too. Too hip, gotta go. :cool:
 
Cafes and the couch

Eraserhead said:
I agree, though it should have iPod functions too (and possibly text to speech to speak your email to you) ...


It also needs to iPod style sync with your PC or Mac.

It should also have USB so you can plug in a keyboard or digital camera if you want too.

And note taking/possibly drawing on the screen too.

Think or observe what people do in cafe or on the couch in their home. I think Apple should create a device that can meet this (not these) need. Something that is robust and tough not like a laptop.
Resist the impulse to make this thing like a personal computer. I don't know why we even use the word computer anymore. True the chip is doing lots of computer, but the user is not. Okay, i've digress.


Cinch
 
dpaanlka said:
That's a load of nonsense.

If I remove the antenna of my less than one year old Motorola, I get almost no service.

My old LG had a pop-up antenna. Popping the antenna up would add 1-2 bars just about every time.

On the other hand, my new Treo has just a little nub in the corner (which might not even be the antenna for all I know). It gets better reception than the LG with its antenna up ... Logically speaking, housing a much larger antenna inside the device housing should yield better reception, so it makes sense that it does.

The point being, people buy phones with external antennas that look like antennas for the perceived benefit, not for any real benefit.

Still, though, the four-section telescoping metal tubes antennas are so, I don't know, 1980. Ick.
 
zelet said:
I'll clarify - raising the antenna doesn't do anything. The antenna does something - but not in the "up" position. Sorry about the confusion.

Back to my not-to-missed LG:

A little wire attached to the end of the antenna would have made this true. However, in that case (and in a few Sanyo phones I've looked at) the antenna doesn't make contact unless it is in the "up" position. So you'll see a lot of people saying that if they don't raise their antennas they get crap reception. An unraised antenna does not equal an internal antenna!
 
I thought a full size hard drive was 5.25X4X9

xStep said:
The report of the CNN article that lead me here says the Origami uses a full size drive. I take that to mean physical dimensions. I highly doubt that is true since a 3.5 inch drive, currently the standard for full size, is well over 1lb. I found one at the Western Digital site this is 1.6lbs. That just doesn't leave much room for the other physical pieces required.

So I think they are likely talking about size. But they are likely wrong there too, because larger capacity laptop drives get pricey. For me it would have to be at least 120GB to be considered a standard size drive.




I thought a full size hard drive was 5.25X4X9
i.e. http://www.affordablesurplus.com/images/hd-fht.gif
You know the Seagate Elite that would take up your whole desk.
 
BAHAHAHAHA! wen i saw the website a few weeks ago i thought this was gonna be the first 'cool' product by M$. i obviously got my hopes up... And another thing: why didnt they put at least a centrino M processor in the things? Celeron is OLD technology.
 
g.x said:
True, no doubt. I even carry a Treo 650 in my pocket. But while I'm a self-proclaimed geek, I really want my home to be a bit more elegant than a pocket gadget. Hence the desire for a larger, touch-enabled device. I want to be able to walk up to to, hit the touch screen, hit it w/ a hard-buttoned remote from across the room, etc.

I'm not above having this "wow-factor" in my house. The large screen (larger than a PDA) is a bonus to me.

Imagine...

You're having a party. Got 10-20 people in the house. Got FrontRow running on this thing (on OS X or thru VNC). Guests walk up, admire album art and play progess bar; they browse a playlist, add a song to the queue. They marvel in wonder and awe.

And I get to bask in all my geeky audio-video home theater glory. Yes, I'm a certifiable nerd. I still think this is cool. It's only geeky on the back end. On the surface, it's a really cool, high-end AV control unit.

I will agree with you there.....a audio-video remote would be excellent. The fact is though....THIS IS MARKETED AS A COMPUTER. Audio is only a small part of what this thing is supposed to do.
 
It is a handheld computer that falls somewhere between a tablet PC and a PDA and runs a special edition of Windows XP.

The device measures is known officially as an ultramobile device. Samsung’s product, called the Q1, runs on a 900MHz Intel Corp. Celeron microprocessor and has 500MB of RAM."[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. I thought ultra-mobile devices were Treos & Blackberries, which certainly are ultramobile.:) The Apple Newton was never an ultra-mobile device.

From a human perspective, do I want to have a Treo cell phone, 800 mhz WinXP special Origami, Dell Laptop, etc and just complicate life immensely, when I can ...

Just buy a Mac iBook or MacBook, and a cellphone with Bluetooth and make life easier with fewer things to carry around and go wrong and wind up with information in the wrong spot?

I give Origami a 1 in 3 chance of success based on what I see in human nature with tech. products.
 
aricher said:
Thanks for posting that much more comprehensive article. The pics really show how bulky and awkward that thing is. Made me really appreciate Apple's design team more. Well, I guess I could see it selling to a very small select market. Best bet is that Apple will let MS test the waters with that POS before coming out with any type of "tablet," of their own.


This pics don't really show how bulky it is. It's probably as thin as an iPod. (or thinner).
 
Who's invited to this party, the Anandtech guys?

g.x said:
You're having a party. Got 10-20 people in the house. Got FrontRow running on this thing (on OS X or thru VNC). Guests walk up, admire album art and play progess bar; they browse a playlist, add a song to the queue. They marvel in wonder and awe.

Ummm...you have to get out more.
 
1" thick

remingtonhill said:
This pics don't really show how bulky it is. It's probably as thin as an iPod. (or thinner).

The current devices are 1" thick, as numerous articles have stated. Considerably thicker than an iPod.
 
It looks interesting, but i just DONT see a market for this. If you want music, you have an iPod and wont carry this bully thing around. If you want something to take places and surf the web and work on documents, a laptop works great. I just dont see a market for this yet. It may just be about 5 years ahead of its time.
 
wow. people are bitching bitching as always. same thing that happened with the mini

we dont want 800 x 600, we want 1020 x 768 or 16:9.
Celeron? 512MB ram? Hell no. Core Duo, 1GB Ram!
Gimme a built in cell phone.
Can only play regular games? I want Doom 3 on this, wtf?

7" too big but I want nice and high Res and wide screen.

$599-999? fawk that. $399. with all my specs. I mean this thing is only worht $199 :rolleyes: people on this forum sometimes
 
I'm just disappointed it didn't have at least a Core Solo processor, and instead went with the pathetic Celeron family. That is, not because I'd want the UMPC to be higher-powered — I don't care — but at least then there would've been a new version of Windows XP floating around that would run on the Core chips, making that whole dual-booting-on-a-Mac thing a lot easier. :)
 
I think the idea is just a new palm pilot. They were big when they came out, but very few people use them now. Everyone that wants the features of a PDA buys a smartphone.

I suspect the origami project will fold in 5 years (pun intended, I don't really believe that, I just had to say it though). As someone said before, it is too big to be portable, and too small to be functional.
 
direzz said:
what?
the newton was a piece of garbage!
i am so sick of this forum claiming the newton was some sort of superior device! get over it, IT WASNT SUCCESFUL.

Just because it wasn't successful doesn't mean it wasn't superior. Since the average consumer is an idiot anyways (an axiom of mine), the superior products tend to be less successful.
 
FoxyKaye said:
Here's hoping that at least one of the pics floating around the Internet of the supposed true video iPod is genuine or clost to it. I think PDA folks would prefer a more robust device that can fit better into a purse or briefcase than Origami. Then again, a more robust iPod with wireless/bluetooth, 4" screen video playback, and a faster processor might also drain the battery pretty quick, too.
Mixed emotions about the new device.

Back in the Newton/Palm days, I remember a quote that went something like this:

The Newton (2000/2100) size is just right to use but too big to carry.

The Palm size is too small but just right to carry.

The problem with portable devices, is that to be effective they need to be somewhat large at the same time their large size defeats being able to easily carry them around with you.

Personally I think I would rather get a computer like this:

http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/mm/20/

Seems more useful to me.
 
funny as hell

IJ Reilly said:
Great! I've been looking for a replacement for my Etch-a-Sketch!

LOL... now thats funny....:)


2 pounds ipod clone... ms was crazy to build this device.it lost when specs hit it.
 
M-theory said:
Lastly, I think the IBM convertable notebook tablet is a quality product and step in the right direction, and again, Apple is paying attention to how it is received very closely.

http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/s...1&categoryId=4611686018425021052&re=home_A_us

How I love this thing! I actually got a scholarship from Microsoft Research, which included a tablet PC. I was so much hoping they'd give me a Lenovo.. but they gave me a Toshiba *yikes*, so I kept my Powerbook and gave the tablet to my sister. She loves it, but then, she's never worked with my Powerbook ;-)
 
looks like an overgrown psp crossed with a sega gamegear. i wouldn't be seen dead with one of those. as for the specs.... nothing really special there. it's just another gadget for people with too much money i reakon.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

aussie_geek
 
Philsy said:
Just had a thought. Maybe losing the keyboard is a bad idea - it's the way we're all used to inputing. How about a sub-12in (8in maybe) Powerbook with an ultra-slim form and a normal, but small keyboard.

Remember the old Psions and you'll get the idea. Call it a kneetop if you like :)

Just found they still make them. Not pretty, but you get the idea

http://www.psionteklogix.com/public.aspx?s=com&p=Products&pID=2550

Psion showed how you could put a usable keyboard on a PDA, with the Psion 5 and Revo. That looks a whole lot better than all this thumb based entry. Unfortunately they only seem to make the larger netbooks now.
 
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