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OS X 10.10.4 Experiences (and trimforce)

crjackson2134

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Apparently, it takes 100% CPU utilization for the Mac App Store just to check if there are updates. So far it won't show anything for me and I eventually have to force quit the App Store. I was just going to update iTunes as I won't update to 10.10.4 until I've done a more recent complete back-up. This is the point Apple's software quality has come to. Their huge thing was having a new music service that came out yesterday. During that day I was at no point able to update iTunes to use the new music service. Can you imagine how Tidal would have been treated in the press if that were the case with their service? And how can just checking for an update take up so much processor usage? My computer sounds like it's ready for take-off with the fans blasting each time I try opening the App Store. This is why I do complete back-ups before ".1" updates now, which is another sign of Apple's software quality decline. Maybe they need to bring back optical drives and send out discs because they have never gotten the hang of Internet services. In fact they are going backward. Updates worked much better under the Software Update app versus the App Store. Spotify updates itself automatically all the time, and it's working on top of Apple's technologies. Apple controls every part of my eco-system: the Mac, the OS, my wireless router, but it just doesn't work anymore.

Sorry for your troubles. I find the MAS to be very reliable, and updates go quickly. I don't know the CPU % when it's running, but it has never had any effect on the performance of my system. I hated Yosemite when it first came out but mostly due to cosmetics. I've had a few non-critical bugs that rubbed me the wrong way, and Yosemite has been my least favorite version through it's cycle until today. As of 10.10.4 there only 2 small bugs that have bothered me. In fact these 2 annoyances may have been quashed but I will need some testing time before I know for sure. If there is another point update, and it that update shows further improvement for me, I may not even upgrade to Cappy for my main boot drive until it's near the end of it's update cycle. I currently boot 10.11 on a test drive only.

Somewhere along the way I developed a laggy mouse cursor (BT Mouse only), and I'm annoyed by the USB drive not ejected properly notification upon waking from sleep. These 2 things alone are my only issues and they are minor annoyances that I can live with.

I don't question the difficulties others have had, but I'm not personally seeing this massive decline in the quality of OS X. I hope you get your issues worked out soon.
 
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bogchop

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Nov 8, 2012
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I have 2x 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSD's in RAID0 in my 2012 mac mini. I put it together the array using Disk Utility.

If I use this tool, will TRIM finally be enabled for my configuration? Or am I headed for disaster if I try the command?
 
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crjackson2134

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Mar 6, 2013
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I have 2x 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSD's in RAID0 in my 2012 mac mini. I put it together the array using Disk Utility.

If I use this tool, will TRIM finally be enabled for my configuration? Or am I headed for disaster if I try the command?

Actually, I don't think it's possible to trim a Raid 0 array.
 
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sumo.do

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Mar 12, 2014
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If you are already using Trim Enabler do you have to disable it first? Or will the update of 10.10.4 disable Trim Enabler and restore the kext changes anyway? I am hoping to put it back to 'normal' like Trim Enable had not been enabled before I do the TrimForce command.

I am guessing if you currently run Trim Enabler on 10.10.3 that you turn off the 'switch' on Trim Enabler, then reboot, then run the 10.10.4 update and then run TrimForce in Terminal? Yes?

Any suggestions otherwise?

Thanks.
 
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CIA

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Apparently, it takes 100% CPU utilization for the Mac App Store just to check if there are updates. So far it won't show anything for me and I eventually have to force quit the App Store. I was just going to update iTunes as I won't update to 10.10.4 until I've done a more recent complete back-up. This is the point Apple's software quality has come to. Their huge thing was having a new music service that came out yesterday. During that day I was at no point able to update iTunes to use the new music service. Can you imagine how Tidal would have been treated in the press if that were the case with their service? And how can just checking for an update take up so much processor usage? My computer sounds like it's ready for take-off with the fans blasting each time I try opening the App Store. This is why I do complete back-ups before ".1" updates now, which is another sign of Apple's software quality decline. Maybe they need to bring back optical drives and send out discs because they have never gotten the hang of Internet services. In fact they are going backward. Updates worked much better under the Software Update app versus the App Store. Spotify updates itself automatically all the time, and it's working on top of Apple's technologies. Apple controls every part of my eco-system: the Mac, the OS, my wireless router, but it just doesn't work anymore.

Calm down. It's an issue, but you can get around it. So I updated a 3.4 i7 2012 iMac with zero problems using the App store, same for a 2013 3.5 i7 iMac. But when it came to update my 2011 MacPro, I had the problem you listed above. And the SAME problem when updating a 2010 iMac. But two 2012 mac mini's updated just fine.

What I finally did was download the combo updater and updated my machines that were having problems using that. Guess what, they didn't want to take the combo updater at first either, but after 2-3 tries on both the MacPro and iMac they finally updated.

So I'm willing to bet that it was something to do with Apples servers (validation or something?) and not the software.

Try the combo, or just wait until tomorrow and I bet it will update fine.
 
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yukyuklee

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Jan 4, 2011
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anyone having trouble updating on a 2015 bmp? I installed the update on my mid 2010 mac mini with ease but having trouble with my mbp hanging even tried downloading off the website but it hangs at install
 
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kramjam

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Feb 3, 2008
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Animations and Mission Contron-l seem to be a tad bit smoother, but nothing like non Retina devices smoothness yet. El Capitan can't get here soon enough.
 
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izzisdashiz

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Like posted above, animations and mission control are much much smoother. Safari is performing much much better for me. No longer have to wait a few seconds for pages to start loading. Overall OS just seems to be smoother. No mail issues (yet).
 
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Kyle4

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Aug 14, 2010
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After the update, my new iMac (less than thirty days old) started showing the beachball a bunch and freezing. I then booted into recovery mode and used disk utility, only to be told to restore the system as it couldn't be repaired. Prior to installing the update my machine was running fine. I did restore it and am currently in the process of getting everything back. Whether this was due to the update not installing correctly or a happy coincidence, I don't know. Disk utility is showing that the drive is fine now.
 
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Che Castro

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I have the crucial bx100 500gb ssd
Will I have any problems turning trim on in the latest Yosemite update ?
The macrumors news articles mentions some ssd have problems
 
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aevan

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What about external SSDs? I have an EVO 850 attached with the LaCie rugged casing, can I (and do I need to) enable Trim on it as well (I'm not using it as a boot drive)?

Thanks.
 
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east85

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So at first I tried to get this update via the App Store, no cigar. Nothing was showing up. It basically said there were no updates available. So, as a second resort I just downloaded the update straight from Apple's website. The first attempt resulted in some buggery, the update started eating into my CPU like crazy and eventually tossed me an error saying I didn't have enough space. I force quit the process. None of the extra garbage that the updater put into my system was erased after the debacle so my drive was nearly full even after quitting everything.. Installed CC-Cleaner, removed massive log files and retried. This time everything went smooth. Trim is enabled on both of my internal drives fine. My update to 10.10.3 was much less smooth.
 
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Cindori

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Good news indeed. Can you elaborate how it's more safe than the OS X trimforce command?

Oskar that's wonderful to hear, and great to hear that Apple is on board and has finally given you the approval you need and deserve. I, also, would like to know how it could be better than the Terminal Command.
Lou

It allows for enabling Trim without disabling "rootless" system integrity protection on El Capitan.
This is needed with trimforce, since it writes to /System.
 
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ClassicII

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Sep 21, 2009
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EDIT!!!
Conflicting info others say its just fine with no problems!
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-ssd-hard-drives.1896572/page-2#post-21533241



There are a number of extremely buggy SSD models out there (like almost all the Samsung 8* and various Crucial models) that will permanently delete the wrong data when issuing TRIM commands.
The bug is not dependent on queued TRIM, it happens even when using the non-queued version.
All the Samsung SSDs beginning with a "8" (840 and 850, both EVO and Pro) are known to have the data-destroying TRIM bug and TRIM is blacklisted on those drives on other platforms.

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/...linux-tread-cautiously-and-keep-backups-handy
 
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flowrider

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There are a number of extremely buggy SSD models out there (like almost all the Samsung 8* and various Crucial models) that will permanently delete the wrong data when issuing TRIM commands.

I have four Samsung 840 SSDs (1 original series 840, 1 840 Pro, and 2 840 Evos) They have all been "Trimmed" since installation. The first series 840 was installed in September of last year, the last, the 840 Pro in February. No lost data or any issues with any of my four drives.

Lou
 
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flowrider

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I am guessing if you currently run Trim Enabler on 10.10.3 that you turn off the 'switch' on Trim Enabler, then reboot, then run the 10.10.4 update and then run TrimForce in Terminal? Yes?

Yes!

Lou
 
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brianjking

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May 15, 2005
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What's the best & safest method of enabling TRIM on a SSD that came installed on my MBP from Apple? It's Apple SSD SM0256F, I believe they support TRIM out of the box; however, it's not enabled, or at least not for auto-trimming?

I have a license to Disk Sensei from @Cindori or can run TrimForce in Terminal.

Thanks!
 
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sudiste

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Jul 1, 2015
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Hi,

no idea if Hell was riding me this morning, i never install the newest updates on the first day, but this morning i have pushed the buttons without thinking and enabled the trimforce function,
Before i have disabled and uninstalled "Trim Enabler" while doing this i re-enabled the Kext signing.

After a reboot it was all good and wanted to see if there is a way to check if it's enabled or not, so i reapplied the command again, bad idea!
Now the machine boots and stops with the No Park Sign.
Started in Recovery Mode, the Disk is still visible and the Disk Check did not found any errors.
Tried to disable trimforce on the from the terminal while booting in Recovery Mode, but haven't found the right command, i can see the trimenforce binary but can't run "sudo trimenforce", i'm not in front of the bricked machine and do not remember the exact messages, just wonder if somebody has a idea to let it fly again..

The machine is a MBP early 2011 with a Intel 520 SSD and 240Gb capacity.
Have to recover the latest Porn vids i didn't backed up yet, lol
 
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Val-kyrie

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Feb 13, 2005
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It allows for enabling Trim without disabling "rootless" system integrity protection on El Capitan.
This is needed with trimforce, since it writes to /System.

So are you saying that enabling Trimforce in El Capitan will disable "rootless" system integrity protection whereas Trim Enabler will enable Trim without disabling the "rootless" security protection?

Also, for all those who are cautioning against enabling Trim on Samsung 8*0 series SSDs, can you explain to me how others have been running Trim on such SSDs via Trim Enabler without errors/issues? Is the implementation of how Trim functions in Trim Enabler different than how it functions if one enables Trimforce? It was my understanding that Trimforce is simply a way to sanction to the command for Trim which is being used by Trim Enabler. If Trim Enabler and Trimforce are simply implementing the same command, then how is it so dangerous to run Samsung 8*0 SSDs?
 
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flowrider

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Nov 23, 2012
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What's the best & safest method of enabling TRIM on a SSD that came installed on my MBP from Apple? It's Apple SSD SM0256F, I believe they support TRIM out of the box; however, it's not enabled, or at least not for auto-trimming?

I have a license to Disk Sensei from @Cindori or can run TrimForce in Terminal.

Thanks!

Trim should be enabled automatically since it's an Apple branded SSD. How do you know it's not enabled?

Lou
 
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That-Guy

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Feb 25, 2012
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So was running Trim Enabler until 10.10.4 and have now switched to the built in Trimforce.

I did it in the following steps:
  • Used Trim Enabler to Disable Trim and Restart Mac.
  • Used Trim Enabler to Re-Enable Kext Signing and Restart Mac.
  • Loaded Terminal and Typed the Following:
Code:
sudo trimforce enable
  • The Mac automatically restarted and I double checked to make sure Tim was enabled for my SSD in System Report.
Don't think I needed to do all the restarts in-between the steps but wanted to make sure I had no issues when re-enabling Kext Signing.
 
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Lodesman

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Feb 4, 2014
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Updated and everything is as it should have been when Yosemite was issued. All my glitches and hang-ups are gone. Printer working correctly for the first time in ages. My Mac is performing better than it has since installing Yosemite. Really great !!

Unfortunately iTunes Music is the mess I expected but I suppose I'll pick out the bits I want (listen to my music) to use and ignore the rest.

Update to El Capitan in the Autumn ? Not a chance !! Once bitten, twice shy.

Maybe, just maybe I might consider it in a year from now.
 
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