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OS X 10.5.7 Build 9J47 Seeded to Developers

flopticalcube said:
Yes, this may very well be the last stop for those still in PPC-land. :eek:
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PPCs are still very viable computers. My main machines are current, but I have a G3 and a couple G4s that still get regular use. There great to have around for things that don't need the latest and greatest software, graphics, etc.

Of course Apple is not interested in peoples legacy collections, but much like 10.4.11, I am sure Apple will work out the bugs, even continue to update 10.5 after the release of SL, for those using the PPCs.

I question Apple on some things, but this I think is rather cut and dry. I mean if MS can release SP3 for XP after Vista came out then Apple can still support 10.5 for the PPC crowd.
 
Eric S. said:
Really! If the Safari issue were really holding it up it would have been fixed by now. That can't be the reason. This thing must be ready to go.
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I just hope they fixed the display driver issues.
 
What's broke?

I was just wondering if we had any information/speculation as to what would be addressed with the next update? I'm fairly happy with 10.5.6. It's not perfect, but it has been pretty stable for me. Just wanting to know what I should be looking forward to! :)
 
synth3tik said:
Of course Apple is not interested in peoples legacy collections, but much like 10.4.11, I am sure Apple will work out the bugs, even continue to update 10.5 after the release of SL, for those using the PPCs.
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It's unlikely that Apple will change their current policy of issuing only security updates for the previous OS release. IMO the main reason Apple is not carrying PPC support forward is to avoid the cost of testing and support resources for it. There's not much chance they'll want to spend much on those resources for 10.5 after 10.6 comes out.

cms2 said:
I was just wondering if we had any information/speculation as to what would be addressed with the next update? I'm fairly happy with 10.5.6. It's not perfect, but it has been pretty stable for me. Just wanting to know what I should be looking forward to! :)
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Have you looked at the World of Apple link mentioned in the original post?
 
Eric S. said:
It's unlikely that Apple will change their current policy of issuing only security updates for the previous OS release. IMO the main reason Apple is not carrying PPC support forward is to avoid the cost of testing and support resources for it. There's not much chance they'll want to spend much on those resources for 10.5 after 10.6 comes out.
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Agreed - and that's why it's so important for Apple to make sure that the final version of OS X for PPC machines is as stable and bug-free as possible. Hopefully Apple will hold up their end of the bargain with the customers and deliver a great final PPC version of OS X.

Apple was still selling PPC macs as recently as august 2006. That's long ago enough that it's reasonable that they can't run the latest OS, but it is not reasonable to expect people are going to stop using their 3 year old machines altogether. So Apple better make sure the final PPC version of OS X is stable and bug-free.
 
Only 3 new fixes? Juno will go gold this week, I bet.

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jons said:
I just hope they fixed the display driver issues.
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Oh man, I'm so glad somebody else was having this issue! I thought the GPU on my Mac Pro was wonky and I was fretting about having to get it swapped out. I even uninstalled the Beta on here and went back to 3.2.1.
 
wizard said:
Maybe we need to consider that Apple is working on another Safari betathat kills some of the bugs in Safari. I have the beta istalled and frankly it has problems to the point that I often run Firefox.

I've seen things such as hang ups, refusals to reload a page to a number of other glitches. Safari simply isn't ready for prime time. It is what one would expect from a beta but hopefully we will have a new beta with the next update.

I like some of Safaris features like zoom, I just hope they smooth it out in the next beta. That is the response to a pinch on my MBPs track pad is way to course. Old age gas made that zoom capability very important. Some of the other features are nice too, so let's hope that a final stable isn't far off.
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Not sure if those bugs you experience are in the GUI or in WebKit. But as for WebKit bugs, you should try installing a nightly from webkit.org. It will look exactly the same as before except being called WebKit and having a blue icon. But some bugs will be gone, such as the one that prevents you from logging into zenbe.com.
 
Stevamundo said:
Exactly. I consider 10.x.6 or higher that Apple has gotten pretty much all of the major bugs out of the OS.

Now just let Apple take their time to make Leopard as stable and bug free as possible before Snow Leopard comes out.

Especially If Snow Leopard costs the usual $129. To me Snow Leopard just isn't worth $129 for just mainly “under the hood” changes that mainly effects computer programmers. Well I'm not a computer programmer.

To be perfectly honest, I'm more than satisfied with 10.5.6. It's very stable and pretty much bug free if you ask me.
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You're not a computer programmer, but you run computer programs. So if those under-the-hood changes are things that programmers like, then the apps you want to run will use them which means you'll have to run 10.6.
 
akac said:
You're not a computer programmer, but you run computer programs. So if those under-the-hood changes are things that programmers like, then the apps you want to run will use them which means you'll have to run 10.6.
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No, we “don't have to” run 10.6 to run applications. What, do you think that magically ever application will quit running on every other OS when Snow Leopard comes out?

The only thing that Snow Leopard will do is to make the new applications easier to build for computer programmers. Unless they make some kind of new “just live without” application, I think I'll wait until 10.7.
 
Stevamundo said:
The only thing that Snow Leopard will do is to make the new applications easier to build for computer programmers. Unless they make some kind of new “just live without” application, I think I'll wait until 10.7.
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Snow Leopard's innovations are primarily about increasing performance on new and future Mac platforms. For the system you have now 10.5 will be fine. Those customers who move to new systems with multi-core processors and more graphics power will benefit from 10.6.
 
Eric S. said:
Snow Leopard's innovations are primarily about increasing performance on new and future Mac platforms. For the system you have now 10.5 will be fine. Those customers who move to new systems with multi-core processors and more graphics power will benefit from 10.6.
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Exactly Eric S.

I just have '06 iMac with a single cord and a '07 MBP with C2D. My computers will be just fine with Leopard for few more years.

I just don't see of spending $129 for a OS basically will make my computers a little bit faster if even that.
 
Cant wait

Apple cannot get this our quick enough for me. I admin 150+ computers in a school district, some teachers have admin rights for programs they use. They installed 10.5.6, and now are experiencing lockups on login, and kernel panics on logout. Yes, I can re-image to 10.5.5, but a lot of the computers are customized with software specific to the classes they are teaching... Really, 10.5.6 has became a huge pain for me..... 10.5.7 hurry up!!!!
 
Stevamundo said:
Exactly Eric S.

I just have '06 iMac with a single cord and a '07 MBP with C2D. My computers will be just fine with Leopard for few more years.

I just don't see of spending $129 for a OS basically will make my computers a little bit faster if even that.
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Then don't upgrade. I'd say that 10.5 will become the new 'lowest common denominator' for future software so even if you choose not to upgrade - you'll still receive software for the next couple of years.

I for one welcome the new technologies because hopefully what it will mean is applications will take advantage of those new features. Under the hood changes can result in user visible improvements - don't try and claim that you can change the operating system and there is no noticeable improvement to the end user.
 
synth3tik said:
PPCs are still very viable computers. My main machines are current, but I have a G3 and a couple G4s that still get regular use. There great to have around for things that don't need the latest and greatest software, graphics, etc.
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And you know what? Apple ][e and ][gs systems are still functional today.

I'm sorry, but while I agree that the hardware still works and can be repurposed for other tasks, the truth of the matter is that the current generation of x86 tech so utterly outclasses where the PPC architecture leaves off that one would have to be daft not to upgrade.

macaliseme said:
I'd say that 10.5 will become the new 'lowest common denominator' for future software so even if you choose not to upgrade - you'll still receive software for the next couple of years.
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Yeah, that will probably be the case, kind of like how Win98SE became the minimum OS requirement for years and years. Of course, the issue is that there promises to be so many underpinnings improvements introduced with Snow Leopard that it may become the LCD in fairly short order. It won't happen overnight, but I'll bet that, within 18-24 months, you'll find enough migration by developers that it'll become worth most people's while to do the upgrade.

I for one welcome the new technologies because hopefully what it will mean is applications will take advantage of those new features. Under the hood changes can result in user visible improvements - don't try and claim that you can change the operating system and there is no noticeable improvement to the end user.
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Ditto here, absolutely. It's for this reason (among others) that I'm waiting until SL comes out to buy a new MacBook.
 
WHAT? Can't install Safari 4? The F**K is wrong with Apple?!?!?!?

(Note: I am making a direct correlation to the uprising witnessed on some forums when silly things cropped up in the Windows 7 Beta)
 
The inability to install the Safari 4 beta remains the only documented known issue, while the three fixes are related to the SystemLoginItems proprerty list, Ethernet on Mac Pros, and a CFURLCache compatibility issue.
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Does this mean we will not see a 10.5.7 release until they fix "the inability to install the Safari 4 beta"?
 
macaliseme said:
don't try and claim that you can change the operating system and there is no noticeable improvement to the end user.
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I'm claiming just that. Like Eric S. said Snow Leopard is for future Macs that will have more multiple cord processing and more powerful graphics cards.

My iMac is a first generation of Intel that Apple had put into their Macs. It's not even a C2D.

My MPB is a C2D, so maybe I could see some speed increase on my laptop with SL. Again though, it's just not worth the $129 to maybe see some speed increase with my laptop.
 
Stevamundo said:
I'm claiming just that. Like Eric S. said Snow Leopard is for future Macs that will have more multiple cord processing and more powerful graphics cards.

My iMac is a first generation of Intel that Apple had put into their Macs. It's not even a C2D.

My MPB is a C2D, so maybe I could see some speed increase on my laptop with SL. Again though, it's just not worth the $129 to maybe see some speed increase with my laptop.
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To my own displeasure I agree. Although I'll probably buy it for my Macbook, I doubt I'll notice any distinct advantages. The new Mac Pros and beyond are where Snow Leopard will shine.
 
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