Onizuka said:Oh, you shut your foul hole! The start button is being COMPLETELY overhauled!
Yeah, it's going to be round now! And have shadows!
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Yeah, it's going to be round now! And have shadows!
IJ Reilly said:
>GASP!< Not the shadows!!!!!!!!
I'm with ya man. Windows is about as solid as an eggshell. I can't stand it. Every single day, and I'm not over-exaggerating, or lying, SOMETHING goes wrong with this damn machine. And it's an IMAGED machine! WTF?!?! Why, for the love of God can I NOT just have one week where my network connection works, everything prints, doesn't freeze, crash, and every single app DOE SNOT RESPOND? WHY?!?!
You really need to stop using Windows 98. You shouldn't have to restart your computer unless a security update has been installed or you installed an application that requires a restart. Methinks that you don't know how to use a "peecee" properly if you have to continually reboot.Onizuka said:Oh, you shut your foul hole! The start button is being COMPLETELY overhauled!
Yeah, Windows is windows is windows. I am forced to work on it every day. Every single day I have to restart the computer for something. Yesterday it's because outlook wouldn't unfreeze. Today it's because Word would not print. And yes, I have tried the CTRL/ALT/DELETE thing a thousand time on every problem, and no, it does not make things all better.
I'm not impressed in the least by Vista. Those who think it will be superior to XP and OS X are sadly mistaken, methinks. I think people are underestimating the possibilities Apple are about to pull out of their hat.
Oh. There is your problem right there. Yell at your Network Administrator for not knowing what he/she is doing. Images are great when you do them correctly. "Methinks" that your image is fux0red.Onizuka said:
Onizuka said:>GASP!< Not the shadows!!!!!!!!
I'm with ya man. Windows is about as solid as an eggshell. I can't stand it. Every single day, and I'm not over-exaggerating, or lying, SOMETHING goes wrong with this damn machine. And it's an IMAGED machine! WTF?!?! Why, for the love of God can I NOT just have one week where my network connection works, everything prints, doesn't freeze, crash, and every single app DOE SNOT RESPOND? WHY?!?!
none of our imaged machines (hundreds at least) here have any of the problems you're mentioning. what exactly are you doing?
Onizuka said:>GASP!< Not the shadows!!!!!!!!
That's just the beta version. The final version will probably have shadows and be transparent too -- so you can see the shadows better! Won't that be sooo cool?
But shut down will still be under the start menu, and if you select it, Windows will still ask you if you really wanted to shut down, restart or standby. They won't change this because, you know, they don't want to confuse anybody. I mean, it may be stupid, but after ten years of Windows everybody's totally used to stupidity!
jhu said:
I'm not doing anything wrong. The only software *I* have installed on the machine is Firefox. NOTHING else. I don't download anything else, I don't do attatchment emails (except for inner-office work). It's just Windows XP man. It sucks. Sorry, but it does.
Of course, it may have something to do with being a Dell.
Dane D. said:Will you list what winblows does better. I never seem to get a straight answer. A lot of people say that but fail to back it up with examples.
I didn't see an answer, but here's a few:
Active Directory:
--MS bit Novell on this one. When Novell had major troubles with the initial release of NDS, AD came along and the Windows 2000 domain has been growing since.
End-to-end solutions:
--While I'm not a big fan of putting all of your eggs in one basket, Microsoft does offer solutions in most every corner of the market. Look at SBS, it offers many products to small businesses at a reduced cost.
SQL Server 2000:
--This is a great product. Although I believe Oracle is better, it also costs more, and requires more knowledge to operate. SS2K is a great SQL product for Windows though.
Games:
--This has been beaten enough, but gaming on Windows is usually (I'd say 80-90% of the time) faster than gaming on a similar Mac. Of course, that may change in the Apple x86 world.
Map Point:
--This is an excellent mapping product (US only. Don't know anything about the Euro product).
Sharepoint:
--This has really taken off at work, and is a great team-oriented web product.
Windows 2003:
--I've never seen more stability in a Windows server product. Installed on quality hardware, it provides the gateway to many of Microsoft's products.
bosskxx1 said:
I'm sorry, but emachines are not good machines, and trying to run Vista with 256MB of RAM is just asking for trouble. Having an integrated video card doesn't help matters either.
jhu said:
And load average has little to do with it either. In your example, how many packets did your system route during those few hundred days? I've seen Nokia routers, running IPSO (based on OpenBSD), able to route at 600Mbps, with little load on the system. Each system is doing different things, so if you have an uptime of 60 days, and routed 4 million packets, I'd say that's not too shabby. However, an uptime of 60 days with 100 packets is not impressive.
The load average is just an overall system load number. You have to take into account everything on the system, such as swaps, disk i/o, memory i/o, processor usage, etc. The load average only gives you a small view of these.
So, if Counterfit's Windows computer is doing something intensive, not just CPU intensive, but say memory intensive such as a database server, I'd say 34 days is a good uptime.
belvdr said:
No, that's not what I meant. In OSX you can select shut down, restart, or sleep directly from the Apple menu -- and that's what the OS does. The lamebrained feature of Windows since 95 is choosing Start, then Shut Down, and then having to select Shut Down, Restart or Standby.
belvdr said:
Except that the Windows way is essentially illogical and makes the user go through extra steps. It's a dumb feature of Windows that Microsoft will probably never change because people are used to it. One of many.
Mac users get their Windows impressions from a few primary places: old Win95/98 machines that they've long abandoned (along with the rest of the world), crappy Dell/Gateway/etc. machines built with the cheapest OEM parts possible and loaded with garbage software by the manufacturer, and corporate workstations/laptops maintained by useless IT "professionals" and overloaded with garbage software by the same IT guys.
If you're a Mac user, please stop associating Windows with every PC you've ever used. Windows is the operating system. It has no control over what hardware manufacturers install it on and no control over what software corporate IT guys vomit all over it. If OS X were available as a standalone product that could be installed on any PC, it would degenerate into the same pile of trash Windows does when it's molested by the previously mentioned parties.
My ThinkPad at work is not fun to use. Slow processor, not enough RAM, and bogged down with resource-intensive antivirus software and corporate bloatware. It helps me understand why Mac users, who are usually forced to use Windows at work, hate Windows.
I've been using Windows all my life. Started with Win95 on friends' machines, and my first PC, which was a Micron, had Win98 installed. They were terrible. Really unstable.
Once I upgraded to Win2K and added a bit of RAM, the same Micron PC became stable, reliable, and fast. Every PC I've built since then--four if memory serves--has run XP. All fast, all stable, all reliable.
In fact, my three-year-old P4 2.6 with a gig of RAM and a 9600XT responds faster and seems more agile than the dual 2.5GHz Power Mac with 6800 Ultra I bought in September. In terms of raw number crunching, like running a Photoshop filter for example, I don't doubt that the Power Mac would win the race, but in terms of overall responsiveness, my aging PC comes out on top. Mouse movement is much faster and smoother, and I rarely wait for the OS.
I've also never had a single virus, nor have I had any spyware that I'm aware of (regular scanning hasn't turned up anything). I can't remember the last time it crashed. Applications misbehave sometimes, but it's a rare occasion that the entire OS gets taken down.
This is all with the original installation of XP. No formats, no reinstalls, and with regular patching and software installations/removals. I set my wife's PC to check Windows Update automatically and update its virus definitions automatically, and she's never had a single problem either.
Compare this to my Power Mac, which has required at least three hard restarts since I bought it, beachballs regularly, sounds like a jet engine when the cooling fans fire up (for such taxing events as too many animated GIFs on a web page), and only permits access to all its applications via Finder or, once you've figured it out, an alias to the Applications folder placed on the Dock.
Removing the applications list from the apple menu would've been fine had Apple come up with a better method to replace it. The Dock is not it. The Dock is barely superior to a standard Windows toolbar.
There's a lot to like about OS X. Installing and removing applications is a breeze, Expose is very slick and actually useful, and the interface is beautiful. However, OS X's elevation to god-like status is unwarranted. It needs work, just like Windows. Some things it does better, other things could use improvement.
I just wish I knew more Mac users as willing to learn about Windows as I am about Macs.
If you're a Mac user, please stop associating Windows with every PC you've ever used. Windows is the operating system. It has no control over what hardware manufacturers install it on and no control over what software corporate IT guys vomit all over it. If OS X were available as a standalone product that could be installed on any PC, it would degenerate into the same pile of trash Windows does when it's molested by the previously mentioned parties.
My ThinkPad at work is not fun to use. Slow processor, not enough RAM, and bogged down with resource-intensive antivirus software and corporate bloatware. It helps me understand why Mac users, who are usually forced to use Windows at work, hate Windows.
I've been using Windows all my life. Started with Win95 on friends' machines, and my first PC, which was a Micron, had Win98 installed. They were terrible. Really unstable.
Once I upgraded to Win2K and added a bit of RAM, the same Micron PC became stable, reliable, and fast. Every PC I've built since then--four if memory serves--has run XP. All fast, all stable, all reliable.
In fact, my three-year-old P4 2.6 with a gig of RAM and a 9600XT responds faster and seems more agile than the dual 2.5GHz Power Mac with 6800 Ultra I bought in September. In terms of raw number crunching, like running a Photoshop filter for example, I don't doubt that the Power Mac would win the race, but in terms of overall responsiveness, my aging PC comes out on top. Mouse movement is much faster and smoother, and I rarely wait for the OS.
I've also never had a single virus, nor have I had any spyware that I'm aware of (regular scanning hasn't turned up anything). I can't remember the last time it crashed. Applications misbehave sometimes, but it's a rare occasion that the entire OS gets taken down.
This is all with the original installation of XP. No formats, no reinstalls, and with regular patching and software installations/removals. I set my wife's PC to check Windows Update automatically and update its virus definitions automatically, and she's never had a single problem either.
Compare this to my Power Mac, which has required at least three hard restarts since I bought it, beachballs regularly, sounds like a jet engine when the cooling fans fire up (for such taxing events as too many animated GIFs on a web page), and only permits access to all its applications via Finder or, once you've figured it out, an alias to the Applications folder placed on the Dock.
Removing the applications list from the apple menu would've been fine had Apple come up with a better method to replace it. The Dock is not it. The Dock is barely superior to a standard Windows toolbar.
There's a lot to like about OS X. Installing and removing applications is a breeze, Expose is very slick and actually useful, and the interface is beautiful. However, OS X's elevation to god-like status is unwarranted. It needs work, just like Windows. Some things it does better, other things could use improvement.
I just wish I knew more Mac users as willing to learn about Windows as I am about Macs.
What was so funny about the truth? So you count all of the thousands of viruses written by Microsoft Haters around the globe against the OSes stability? I don't think this assesment is fair. If you have a proper hardware firewall and enable the Windows built-in firewall, then you should be relatively safe. Just don't open attachments. Live in constant fear of the attachment. *looks around*lilstewart92 said:HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!
Seriously though, why does a pro-Mac OS X forum turn into a Windows XP haters club? All the childish naming of Wind-blows, Win-dohs, PeeCees, etc needs to stop. You people need to grow up. (directed at the morons who continuiously make fun of Windows).
Randall said:What was so funny about the truth? So you count all of the thousands of viruses written by Microsoft Haters around the globe against the OSes stability? I don't think this assesment is fair. If you have a proper hardware firewall and enable the Windows built-in firewall, then you should be relatively safe. Just don't open attachments. Live in constant fear of the attachment. *looks around*
Seriously though, why does a pro-Mac OS X forum turn into a Windows XP haters club? All the childish naming of Wind-blows, Win-dohs, PeeCees, etc needs to stop. You people need to grow up. (directed at the morons who continuiously make fun of Windows).
uh oh, you're not following group-think. off to the ministry of love with you
Someone using the Vista beta; please tell me, has the system clock been updated? (the one that appears when you double click the clock in the start bar?
Just wondering because it hasn't been updated since Windows 95.
Just wondering because it hasn't been updated since Windows 95.
Last time I checked, Darwin was still open-source. Apple added a lot of stuff to it to make it OS X, but you can download Darwin for free, and for x86 as well as PPC (which is why no one should have been surprised that Apple has had OS X on Intel hardware for 5 years).Project said:
Er, my Windows computer? There's no such thingbelvdr said:
Oh hell yes!Onizuka said:
I don't think anyone has addressed this already, but I might be wrong.
Sure Vista's "glass" transparent look is very nice looking, but what about when you have more than one window open, with window and window piled on top of each other? Surely it would not only look bad but also be very confusing.
Example:Why isn't Microsoft Word quitting? I keep hitting the "x" button *click* *click* Why won't this quit! Oh, silly me, I was hitting the X button for the program below it. (See my point?)
Sure Vista's "glass" transparent look is very nice looking, but what about when you have more than one window open, with window and window piled on top of each other? Surely it would not only look bad but also be very confusing.
Example:Why isn't Microsoft Word quitting? I keep hitting the "x" button *click* *click* Why won't this quit! Oh, silly me, I was hitting the X button for the program below it.
(See my point?)
thirdkind said:
This Mac user gets his Windows "impressions" from the XP box I built, use and maintain. You'll find plenty of Mac owners on these boards with similar stories. In fact, when I started my PC project, this very board is where I asked for and got my advice on what to buy. So I think you'll find, if you take the time to find out, that few Mac users live in some cloister of Mac-only knowledge. In fact I find most Mac owners to be quite knowledgeable about Windows, if only because it's almost impossible to avoid. I also find that most Windows users get their Mac knowledge from, well, nowhere.