[OT] Apple hardware...

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Giuanniello, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Giuanniello macrumors 6502


    Oct 21, 2012
    Capri - Italy
    I got my first Mac in September 2002, it was a Ti667 PowerBook ad after that it was love at first sight, February 2003 I ordered a DualG4 PowerMac and the marvelous Cinema Display 23" HD (anybody knows where can I get a foot stand for the Cinema Display?), they lasted ages and the G4 went to pension when they switched to the Intel platform, besides fans noise it was and still is a beast of a computer and after the Ti I got a bunch of other Macs, iMac G5, PowerBook G4, MacBookPros in various sauces and a few MacBookAir, a couple Mini and least but no last a 2009 27" iMac, of course there have been a bunch of iPods, a few iPads and iPhone from 4 all the way to 7 in both S and Plus versions so, well, I guess I am an Apple fan but I have to say that past the G4/G5 family the improvements on the computing side of Apple have been quite poor, most of the business concentrated on the big sales numbers of consumer hardware, iPod first then iPhone and little or no attention at all to the pro share which I understand being very small and, also, I have to say that from 5-6 years to nowadays the improvements on the computing share are quite poor (no more proper words come to my mind but I am sure there is some more appropriate), some whistle and bells but, computing power wise, they are stuck and also MacOS, which in my opinion is what makes the difference, is stuck after ElCapitan.

    I feel somehow sad to see how the business is only concentrated on consumer hardware while computing is almost forgotten not to mention computer quality have been decreasing the more and more, I regret the G4/G5 era where we had no reason to look at the PC/Windows world...

    Just a rant ;-)
  2. macs4nw macrumors 601


    Apple has transformed from the 'rebels', the 'square pegs in the round holes', the 'Think Different' crowd, to manufacturers of exquisitely designed, gorgeous looking, useful, fun to use, and well-integrated products of mass appeal, with spectacular, conspicuous and unquestionable market success.

    That would never have happened if they had continued to cater to small-market-segment special interest groups. Whether that's good or bad depends on which market segment you fit into. Yes, they undeniably cater less to professional users, artists, musicians, etc., to wit, the demise of X-Serve, the less frequent Pro gear updates etc., but by today's metrics that is a relatively small portion of overall revenue.

    As for the improvements in computing power, they are vast if you compare a ten year old system with one of today's offerings, but on a year to year comparison the differences obviously are often less impressive. Currently still using mostly third party CPUs and GPUs, Apple still depends largely on the Intels, nVidias, AMDs, etc of the world for speed and computing power improvements, but that trend is changing as Apple seems to have ambitions in that arena. Their custom chips for iOS devices are becoming increasingly sophisticated, and together with hardware and software optimizations they are already blowing away the competition.

    Has Apple changed from yesteryear? Absolutely, and I too sometimes miss some of the old Apple, but overall the changes are overwhelmingly positive imho.

    The products are still often at the top of their market segments (not talking about gimmicks here that competitors try to lure us with, or items that appeal to 'spec-whores'), their warranties are still superior to the rest of the market, Apple's attention to minor details, and elegant product design is still unmatched by their closest rivals, and last but not least their concern for the factory workers who produce these products, as well as for the environment are commendable indeed.

    Most importantly, Apple still can attract, and continues to employ, a very talented, motivated and hard-working pool of individuals and is led by an excellent executive team of very dedicated professionals, so the sky is not falling yet.

    Will they stay at the top forever? Of course not, no company does. But I'm not worried about their immediate future.

    Not one bit.
  3. CooperBox macrumors 65816


    Nov 28, 2010
    France - between Ricard & Absinthe
    I enjoyed your 'rant'. Keep 'em coming! :)
    It would appear that we have more than a bit in common. My first Mac in 2001/2002 was also a Ti667. It was my pride & joy! Link HERE.
    To answer your query on a foot stand for the Cinema Display, I have seen them advertised, but invariably the prices asked are more than one can often pay for a similar complete serviceable display. Even a pack of 5 screws can reach $20 (which is what I payed for a serviceable 17" display). I see there's a very nice looking 22" cinema display on a site here in France for 52€ (possibly negotiable).
    For the last 15 years or so I've been a very keen Mac fan, but now I have a loathing of the current built-in obsolescence of most of the new products. One may argue that with AppleCare most potential concerns are taken care of, but just tell that to the actual owners of these products in 5-7 years time when they become recognised as vintage and then obsolete by Apple service centers.
    The last new product I purchased was in 2013 (RetMBPro) and I'm certain that will be the last - until (i) something is announced that really excites me and (ii) it must have user replaceable features. Obviously I won't be holding my breath for that to happen! With a shameful repairability score of 1/10, I will retain the MBPro for another year, and ensure it is sold before the battery dies to save myself unecessary big bucks.

    So many may well ask what the hell am I doing on MacRumors forum? Several reasons. Broadening my technicological horizon, and especially waiting for something really exciting to come out of Apple (think TAM/Pismo/G3 Clamshell/ TiPowerBook/G4 Cube/PowerCD) all of which I own, cherish and still use on a regular basis. Ok agreed, the latter was a commercial failure, but at least it was exciting and owner-repairable. And before too many eyes roll in disbelief, today one can still go on-llne with relative safety, stream & download videos on a G3 or G4, play CD's/DVD's or listen to iTunes web radio with ease - it's all a case of knowing how. Which is why I am a regular poster on the PPC forum, where there's no place for the word 'obsolescence'.
    I do however agree with many of the points made by Macs4nw, especially "Apple's attention to minor details, and elegant product design is still unmatched by their closest rivals" However many of those design details resulted in the tail-wagging-the-dog syndrome, just one example on a PowerBook being a complete laptop disassembly including the removal of the logic board - just to remove the optical drive!
    As for the comment that Apple's concern for the environment is commendable, it indeed used to be true, but certainly no longer with the planned obsolescence, which costs consumers and especially the environment. Certainly it generates long-term sales volume, and is a delight to the shareholders. I'm not worried about their immediate future either, but their policy will have to eventually change, but it's not on the horizon that I can see.
  4. shaunp macrumors 68000

    Nov 5, 2010
    As a professional I now see very little point in any Apple hardware. The only thing they have going for them is the colour accuracy of their screens, but even then they don't have a matte option. It wasn't so long ago that Apple was the platform of choice for both my IT work and photography, but with each release useful features have been taken away and yet the capabilities of the hardware haven't really improved since 2010 - the MBP is still stuck with a 16GB memory limitation. Why?

    Apple seem to have forgotten that workstations while not in the mainstream, do enable content creators and developers to create for the mainstream. However if the tools for professionals aren't good enough they will move platform, and eventually the mainstream will move with them.

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