are we saying that the new universal dock doesn't work with current ipods? (pre-yesterdays ipods)
i'd be bummed if that was the case! huh?
i'd be bummed if that was the case! huh?
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One thing to note, is that all the new ipod's only take 10.4.8 and above!!! No love for panther users and older OSX's.
Maybe it's time to upgrade?
The 5G could use a dock....
Are you saying you think I won't be able to take a video cord with me on my new Ipod Classic, and simply plug it into a TV?
As for the video out on the "old" dock connector I can't believe that Apple would obsolete that with the new iPods given that there are so many devices that offer video support for the existing iPods through the dock connector. Just look at all of the video playback devices that Apple offers in the Apple Store. Thus I suspect that the new iPods will still output video to these pre-existing devices.
As for the new universal dock with the "old" iPods Apple already says that the new dock can output video from any iPod that supports video (using the composite output cable).
The only real question is will the new iPods work with the older AV docks that had an s-video connector? I suspect that they may not but we probably won't know until someone tries it with one of the new iPods (did the s-video work with the 5G iPod?). In any case you could buy the new composite out video cable and use that with the older AV dock.
As for the new universal dock with the "old" iPods Apple already says that the new dock can output video from any iPod that supports video (using the composite output cable).
The only real question is will the new iPods work with the older AV docks that had an s-video connector? I suspect that they may not but we probably won't know until someone tries it with one of the new iPods (did the s-video work with the 5G iPod?). In any case you could buy the new composite out video cable and use that with the older AV dock.
I think you'd have to use the new composite video out cable or the component out cable if you're TV supported the latter form of input (somewhat likely for HDTV, but probably not as convenient as the composite cable).
Actually, NONE of the new ipods list video output in their specs, it just seems to be left out of all the specs. Since the touch supports video output and is practically identical to the iPhone, it's likely that with an update it supports video output. And since the update doesn't ship for a few weeks, they can't list future specs now. I don't get the paranoia, you really think apple would list support for this if it didn't work?
So long, HiFi. We hardly knew ye.
Seriously, do you guys remember the event where the HiFi was announced? Worst ever. It came alongside the $99 leather ipod cases.
Seriously, do you guys remember the event where the HiFi was announced? Worst ever. It came alongside the $99 leather ipod cases.
They DO list video output if you click on Complete Specs rather than At A Glance.
In the Connectivity line the iPod nano and up say, "30-pin connector for charging, data transfer, and video out; 3.5-mm jack for audio"
You are right, natively LCD's display only progressive video. However it is possible to feed a LCD an interlaced signal like 480i or 1080i and it will still display. However you are right it has to go through some processing in order to display properly.
But reguardless the iPod touch / iPhone probably displays progressive on its display.
However the output to a tv being interlaced probably is due to a limit in graphic processing power due to the higher resolution.
Typically I believe interlaced video is easier to process at a givin resolution than progressive. Less bandwidth is required for an interlaced signal because it is only drawing half of the lines of resolution at a givin moment. Odd lines then even lines then odd lines and so on.
True, but it's not hard to sound better than Bose. Bose is the most overrated company in the audio industry.
Steve-o has demoed a few products in the past that had video out hacked on with an extra cable that isn't a public cable. He demoed the interface on the iPod Photo that way, when all the Photo was officially capable of outputting were photo slideshows, not the menu structure. Same with the iPhone, he had one that was modded to output a mirror of the main screen. Heck, the original Macintosh intro in 1984 was modded to have video out, a capability the original Macintosh didn't have.
Yeah, the info page is there, but if you click "Buy Now", it takes you to a nonexistent Apple Store page. (You don't even have to use Google, you can use the 'Search' field on Apple's home page. (See attachments.))
Yeah. The required processing power depends on the manner of de-interlacing. But if the iPhone/iPod touch is incapable of sending a progressive signal even though it displays it progressively as you said, then it doesn't even need to worry about deinterlacing as it's the receiving unit's problem. The TV (or whatever) receiving the interlaced signal does the deinterlacing and not the iPod. So you could be right... could be that it's not powerful enough. I find it hard to believe seeing what the iPhone/iPod touch can do graphically (games, zooms, scrolls etc). I think it's more of a lack of hardware to support it.
Joshua.
It's gone now... going to apple.com/ipodhifi still brings you to the info page though.
The iPhone and such doesn't ever need to deinterlace video, the video it gets should already be encoded as progressive scan. Expecting the TV to fix up interlaced video it is generally folly. Some can do a good job, but even in those cases, it's usually best to not get an interlaced signal in the first places.
The only thing I can think of is maybe the video output chip is bigger or something.
That's not surprising. Bose often tries to do too much with too little of a driver. They aren't horrible, but even considering their size and such, I just don't think they are worth it.
Except when they had XP as the flagship OS, some of their special services like PlaysForSure wasn't 2000 compatible, despite being mostly the same OS with mostly a few minor tweaks. So to use a PFS device, I would be asked to pay for XP too.
WTF is up with the Hi-Fi
Now all the "Buy" links are gone from the Hi-Fi pages, BUT...
The Hi-Fi - iPod Integration page now has pictures of iPod Classics on it. As in the new model.
So obviously they are updating the Hi-Fi pages. What is the deal? Clearly they don't want to remove the Hi-Fi from their site. Maybe they are about to release a Hi-Fi 2. Or maybe a Beatles Hi-Fi?
Now all the "Buy" links are gone from the Hi-Fi pages, BUT...
The Hi-Fi - iPod Integration page now has pictures of iPod Classics on it. As in the new model.
So obviously they are updating the Hi-Fi pages. What is the deal? Clearly they don't want to remove the Hi-Fi from their site. Maybe they are about to release a Hi-Fi 2. Or maybe a Beatles Hi-Fi?
Well, crap.
iPhone has been removed from the compatibility icons for the new iPod Component and Composite video pages. I was hoping that the lack of mentioning iPhone in the progressive vs. interlaced was a mistake, and that the inclusion of its icon on both pages was correct.
But now it's gone.
And on the Universal Dock page, it specifically separates iPod from iPhone when mentioning playing music, and specifically ONLY mentions iPod for playing video. (And the new Universal Dock *DOES* mention compatibility with the "iPod with Video" (meaning the 5G and 5.5G models) as well as "iPod nano 3rd generation (aluminum)", iPod classic, iPod touch, and iPhone, but does *NOT* mention "iPod with color display" (aka iPod photo,) or earlier, nor does it mention the first and second generation iPod nanos. And I'm not even talking about video out, I'm talking purely about raw compatibility.
As for video out path, the "iPod with color display" (aka iPod photo,) and "iPod with video" (aka iPod video 5G and 5.5G) can do video out through the dock connector using the OLD Universal Dock, using the new composite (not component) dock cable, or they could send composite out through the headphone jack; but it appears that all of the just-announced models can ONLY do video out through the new CABLES, not through the old dock, nor through the headphone jack. (But they can do component in addition to composite.)
iPhone has been removed from the compatibility icons for the new iPod Component and Composite video pages. I was hoping that the lack of mentioning iPhone in the progressive vs. interlaced was a mistake, and that the inclusion of its icon on both pages was correct.
But now it's gone.
And on the Universal Dock page, it specifically separates iPod from iPhone when mentioning playing music, and specifically ONLY mentions iPod for playing video. (And the new Universal Dock *DOES* mention compatibility with the "iPod with Video" (meaning the 5G and 5.5G models) as well as "iPod nano 3rd generation (aluminum)", iPod classic, iPod touch, and iPhone, but does *NOT* mention "iPod with color display" (aka iPod photo,) or earlier, nor does it mention the first and second generation iPod nanos. And I'm not even talking about video out, I'm talking purely about raw compatibility.
As for video out path, the "iPod with color display" (aka iPod photo,) and "iPod with video" (aka iPod video 5G and 5.5G) can do video out through the dock connector using the OLD Universal Dock, using the new composite (not component) dock cable, or they could send composite out through the headphone jack; but it appears that all of the just-announced models can ONLY do video out through the new CABLES, not through the old dock, nor through the headphone jack. (But they can do component in addition to composite.)
Maybe because it was an overpriced piece of crap that was neither Hi nor Fi.
Overpriced as in injection molded plastic with some electronics and cheap cone speakers.
Basically, just like Bose.
Having said that, I would be ok with buying the Apple Hi-Fi, for about $50.
Well, i'm halfway convinced to selling my 5G iPod to add to my iPod Touch Funds. All i need is something that will port my iPod Touch to a portable bigger screen like Memorex's iFlip(Not sure if it'll fit)