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Yep, hundreds of millions of users and only 200,000 engage with something that's currently free

How many of those 'hundreds of millions of users' actually know there is something called Apple News + ?

Most normal people don't watch Apple keynotes or even know about the event last week. Eventually there will be advertising and people will find out about it.

I think it's REALLY good that through practically no advertising Apple already beat the numbers of the previous Texture app.
 
The New York Times has just over 4 million subscribers. If Apple News+ gets only 10 million subscribers, it's worth if for NYT to sign on.


That's not how this works. Take these 200K and say they were paying, that would be $2 million dollars a month. Apple would take $1 million and the 200 or so publishers would split the $1 million based on number of people reading articles or some metric like that. What every publisher has to decide is whether amount of money they would get from this split, PLUS the higher advertising rates they would get from having additional readers, which they get to keep 100% of, is greater than any loss from people subscribing directly.

Magazine articles and magazines themselves have a very broad base appeal, even worldwide, so the above calculus, obviously appeals to them as evidenced by the number participating. Newspapers are a much different proposition as most people won't be interested in reading news from elsewhere, so there is a very limited market beyond a few newspapers that have the staff to write general interest articles, e.g., the WSJ and NYT. The WAPO really doesn't as evidence by the small amount they are able to charge to get behind their paywall.


BTW, NYT doesn't have 4 million digital subscribers, which is the key comparison, it's about half of that.
 
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By the way, I think Apple dropped the ball on allowing magazines that look like PDF scans, the experience is pretty bad.
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Interesting feedback. News+ is not available over here, so I've not seen it yet.

This is presumably pragmatic just to get the content available? I'd have expected Apple to at least ask publishers for PDFs or ePUBs, but maybe the publishers aren't producing native PDF themselves, and they're just paying someone to scan the print editions?

[QUOTE="trifid, post: 27250116, member: 573335"I think Apple should have pioneered a new format for smart devices, and force everyone to adapt it on the new platform to guarantee a consistent and pleasant experience.[/QUOTE]

Didn't they try that with iBooks?

I did try the IBA format out for some of my own documents, but it was a lot of work compared with just producing an ePUB, and didn't obviously target a large enough user base. It would be worthwhile if you had a lot of customers, the material justified the work, and it lasted a reasonable amount of time.
 
People can have multiple devices, so that’s an inaccurate stat.

I have multiple iOS devices and ONE Apple ID, ONE Netflix subscription and ONE Kindle subscription shared across all. I don’t have to subscribe separately for each device - that’s not how this works.

Still thinking about checking out the trial, myself.
 
Yep, hundreds of millions of users and only 200,000 engage with something that's currently free
Yes, it’s only data for the first 48 hours. You also needed to update to the latest version of iOS to get access to Apple news plus. How many people update in the first 48 hours, probably not many.
 
For the same reason I cut cable TV with 150 USELESS channels.

Except this comparison is apples to oranges, because, while not strictly comparable, 150 cable channels truly don’t come close to equaling (one) subscription to the Wall Street Journal, in terms of total quality non-fiction information delivered. And, sadly, there doesn’t exist a single cable news channel that does more, on balance, to inform its viewers than it does to disinform and mislead. *There’s PBS, a bright shining beacon is a sea of trash—but it’s not a cable channel, and can even be watched on their app for free.

What 150 cable channels would have that the WSJ doesn’t, is mind numbing entertainment cheaply made entertainment, which can be nice here and there I guess, but you’d still have to spend 1/3 of your time watching commercials or paying more (and dealing with) a DVR, and even the “commercial-free” sections are so stuffed with product placements and other “hidden” sales pitches, that I don’t know why anyone bothers. Because, like the WSJ (or NYT or WaPo), a single subscription to HBO is worth more by nearly any measure than the basic cable package with 150 channels.

The people who are, just a couple days after it’s launch, declaring Apple News Plus to be a total failure and a waste of money are not only completely blind to what must be taken into account to make a statement such as that (one of the necessary variables being time) but you also make yourselves sound like the least credible source— type that doesn’t pay attention to anything non-fiction, doesn’t read, etc. I understand that not everyone enjoys reading, but it’s another thing still to not enjoy reading and also fail to grasp that “the unsexy pastime” provides an incredible amount of value to a large percentage of humans, yet.
 
I don't understand why people get so emotionally involved in whether or not something is a flop or not. Use it or don't use it and move on. Why fixate so much on it? Vote with your wallet and stop whining.

Because on a forum/website on Apple we discuss Apple's products, their success or lack of thereof, and other things.
 
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If people like it, good on them. I'm not interested at all... I wish I could just turn off those "News+" suggestions, but as far as I can tell it's not possible (If I'm wrong, though, I'd be happy for someone to explain how to do it).

I also notice that sources which are only available in "Apple News+" apparently cannot be unselected from the feeds used to populate Apple News in general.

Apple News Plus can be a completely different animal than “Apple News” (which I keep disabled through general settings) in that you are now able to proactively go get exactly what you want. You don’t have to deal with an algorithm picking out what “your news” should be. You can download and read magazines on an iPad in a way that’s very comparable to having a real issue in front of you. It can be like walking up to a newsstand or magazine shelf and deciding with your own brain what you’d like to read.
 
I would sub to Texture during the months I'm traveling, which is only perhaps 2-3 times a year, download a whole bunch of magazines onto my iPad and read them on flights etc. Cheaper than just buying 1 magazine at the airport newsstand.

I'm flying in May so I'll sign up for a free trial to Apple News+ then. RIP Texture.
 
You don’t get a subscription per device (would you buy 8 subscriptions? No of course not). So the 1.4 billion devices out there or ready to benefit the publishes is crap. Add in upto 7 users per subscription (family sharing) and the real potential market is considerably smaller

I guess I didn’t make my point clear.
You missed my meaning too.

The point I was making is that 2 days sample isn’t enough to extrapolate anything so letting “the number speak for themselves” might be useless.

It might be an interesting data point they collected with two days of subscriptions but you have to be really cautious to predict anything at all from such a thing from anonymous sources and from the New York Times or whatever
 
For a free trial not really impressing. And from this userbase lets see how many will use it after the 30-day-trail for real money. My guess: Not many. This outdated product and the boring apple TV+ will be a fail for apple. At least granny Cook had some amazing fun at the press conference in his newsstand.
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Wait 10 years. Then you will ask yourself how wrong and pessimistic you have been about this paradigm shift. But don't be irritated: People like you didn't recognize such Gamechangers either, for example when the iPhone was introduced or MP3.

As far as I know, Germany can't load News+ yet. So why chitchat?
 
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Things I like.

1. Over 3000 magazines... wait 300
2. Wall Street Journal
3. National Geographic Looks Fantastic.
4. Magazines look good on Ipad. (Not on iPhone)


Areas for Improvement

1. Websites like Macrumors aren't an option to subscribe to. Should be able to include any website.
2. Would be nice to include blogs.
3. Would be cool if you could select to see only video news content
4. More Magazines need to create native format like National Geographic. Apple should eventually push everyone to do this over time, the way they push app developers to upgrade their apps.
5. Particular Articles in Magazines that I would be interested in reading should be smartly highlighted without having to find them.
6. If More newspapers don't get on board apple with have to do a "Channels" style subscription right from within Apple News app. I think this is what will happen. Larger newspapers know they have the content, but apple has the ability to package the experience together in a way they cant.
 
Things I like.

1. Over 3000 magazines... wait 300
2. Wall Street Journal
3. National Geographic Looks Fantastic.
4. Magazines look good on Ipad. (Not on iPhone)


Areas for Improvement

1. Websites like Macrumors aren't an option to subscribe to. Should be able to include any website.
2. Would be nice to include blogs.
3. Would be cool if you could select to see only video news content
4. More Magazines need to create native format like National Geographic. Apple should eventually push everyone to do this over time, the way they push app developers to upgrade their apps.
5. Particular Articles in Magazines that I would be interested in reading should be smartly highlighted without having to find them.
6. If More newspapers don't get on board apple with have to do a "Channels" style subscription right from within Apple News app. I think this is what will happen. Larger newspapers know they have the content, but apple has the ability to package the experience together in a way they cant.

Regarding #1 and #2, what you're asking for is a RSS aggregator like Feedly. I have MacRumors as one of the entries in my "Apple" section. Most blogs / websites include a RSS compliant feed. Below is a snapshot of my Feedly RSS feeds for internet news. You can bookmark/save links that you enjoyed reading for easy reference later.


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I'll be on board once NYT and WP come to Apple. Otherwise, it's useless.

I'm a long time digital NYTimes subscriber at around $15 a month or 50 cents daily. Why would the Times want to make their content available to you for a small piece of the $10 cost of News+?
 
How many of those 'hundreds of millions of users' actually know there is something called Apple News + ?

Most normal people don't watch Apple keynotes or even know about the event last week. Eventually there will be advertising and people will find out about it.

I think it's REALLY good that through practically no advertising Apple already beat the numbers of the previous Texture app.

Well Apple claim to have created over 300,000 US jobs, so apparently not even those people know or care about News+
 
News+ shows that no matter how many smart people Apple claims they employ, they really have zero innovation anymore. The user interface for browsing, publication navigation, viewing favorites and downloads is just pitiful ... as is the slow speed of their servers which cannot keep up with page requests (and the multiple app crashes). They had to look no further than Zinio to see the the baseline for how a magazine service should function - hyperlinked table of contents, organized downloads and subscriptions, etc.

Even for the PDF formatted magazines... how hard would it have been for Apple to let us tap on a thumbnail to go to that page? What good is the thumbnail view if not for navigation? Maybe Apple really only has one employee in the basement working on this.

That said, my wife and I feel that the content of News+ is easily worth the $10/month for us as there are sufficient pubs that we would read regularly.

We still need Zinio - the far superior per-publication paid e-magazine service - for high end specialty magazines that are available nowhere else (other than in print) - and will continue to support Zinio for those.
 
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