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Thats fine, so lying about being end to end encrypted isn’t an issue?

I didn't say it wasn't an issue, but it's a different issue than not being encrypted. E2E isn't as safe as people think it is, you always have the authentication/MITM problem.
 
Who is it an issue to? And are companies abandoning Zoom because of this? I personally don't care as long my confidential information discussed during a Zoom session doesn't end up on the dark web.
I think they are abandoning because of this lit of issues.

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I don't see the comment you're replying to in any way asserting that Zoom is encrypted. Simply giving a list of desirable attributes.

  • Zoom's claims that it uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications were proven to be misleading. The company stated that in a meeting where every participant is using a Zoom client and which is not being recorded, all sorts of content — video, audio, screen sharing, and chat — is encrypted at the client-side and is never decrypted until it reaches the other receivers. But if one of the value-add services, such as cloud recording or dial-in telephony, is enabled, Zoom has access to the decryption keys, which it currently maintains in the cloud. This also makes it easy for "hackers or a government intelligence agency to obtain access to those keys," security expert Matthew Green said.

 
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Who is? Got some solid proof beyond the hyperbole and one or two MR posters?







 
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Zoom stock is up. What does that say? That this is a non-issue regardless of the hubris. Also doesn’t acknowledge the increase in activations so one-sided.
 
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Cisco Cloud Webex



I found it cheaper for our 60,000 users. We also have 2 10G direct connects through Equinix to Cisco which wasn't available at the time for zoom.



Opening 4 ports to a couple of hosts is a nightmare. Your network team is garbage.

Straight from the documentation:
TCP port 443 to lqtservice-web.wbx2.com
TCP port 443 to uds.huron-dev.com
TCP port 443 to gds.huron-dev.com
TCP port 443 to idbroker.webex.com
TCP port 8443 to callcontrol.huron-dev.com
TCP port 5061 to lqtservice-web.wbx2.com
TCP & UDP port 5004 to lqtservice-web.wbx2.com



I would trust my wife having cocktails with Bill Cosby before trusting anything from ms.

Can you be any more rude and insulting?

You know nothing of our architecture yet you have decided your personal knowledge of Cisco is all that's required. I can only assume you've not worked with Cisco Cloud Proximity nor Cisco Spark in a multi conference room environment with remote auto directional cameras hooked into a Cisco unified communications manger. In our Network.

Heck, even Cisco themselves list out an absolute plethora of requirements that still failed to fully work after we switched or phone system over to a hosted solution.


So, I'd be grateful if, in future, you kept your obviously non-existent knowledge on other people's architecture to a minimum.

You didn't bother to stop to ask before volunteering totally useless information and then slamming my coworkers as being incompetent.
 
Zoom stock is up. What does that say?

Very little. See Enron and Worldcom.

Also doesn’t acknowledge the increase in activations so one-sided.

Probably from free consumers which bring in little revenue. For all of these companies, their bread and butter are large corporate licenses.

Take Zoom's retail pricing: $15/month. Nobody is going to pay that when you get Teams with Office 365 with dial-in conferencing for $5+4=$9/month, ignoring the other cloud services that come with it.
 
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I didn't say it wasn't an issue, but it's a different issue than not being encrypted. E2E isn't as safe as people think it is, you always have the authentication/MITM problem.

Even with the fabled Webex solution one has to fulfill certain requirements before E2E can be used.

Not sure why people think that out of all the Conference systems out there that only Zoom has insecurities. Guess it's Pile on Zoom month...
 
Not sure why people think that out of all the Conference systems out there that only Zoom has insecurities. Guess it's Pile on Zoom month...

Zoom has real problems, which I suspect is due to low-quality Chinese outsourcing coupled with their satisfy the pointy-haired IT boss at all costs mentality. I see a ton of CYA by the same IT politicians who made the purchase decision.

Sending the video stream and decryption keys to people in the waiting room is one of the worst. Yet nobody has pointed out how this is a huge HIPAA violation, among others.
 
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Zoom has real problems, which I suspect is due to low-quality Chinese outsourcing coupled with their satisfy the pointy-haired IT boss at all costs mentality. Sending the video stream and decryption keys to people in the waiting room is one of the worst.

Don't get me wrong, you're right. They've sone serious issues to fix. No argument there. But it's not like they're the only one. Right now they're target #1 because they're usage has shot up.

And yes,I suspect cheap outsourced labor is a major contribution. However, now they've got a **** ton of cash to help them fix the ills and a lot of eyes and eager folk to "test" them.
 
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Very little. See Enron and Worldcom.



Probably from free consumers which bring in little revenue. For all of these companies, their bread and butter are large corporate licenses.

Take Zoom's retail pricing: $15/month. Nobody is going to pay that when you get Teams with Office 365 with dial-in conferencing for $5+4=$9/month, ignoring the other cloud services that come with it.
So basically, there is not solid proof this "news" had any real effect. Only some hyperbole about Enron. I hear Teams isn't as good as Zoom. Ymmv.
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you asked who, so I gave you “who”.

edit. actually it’s down

Apparently I believe three use cases don't constitute a "trend", is more like it. Because the article ignores the popularity and growth of this service. So huge influx of customers minus some outgo seems like a net positive. edit: Get to be right for today, maybe wrong for tomorrow.
 
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I hear Teams isn't as good as Zoom. Ymmv.

As I pointed out above, Teams' UX does suck, but they have a ton of enterprise-driven compliance, security, and scaling features and Microsoft isn't a fly-by-night software organization. It isn't a new product either; it was Lync, Skype for Business, and now Teams.
 
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So basically, there is not solid proof this "news" had any real effect. Only some hyperbole about Enron. I hear Teams isn't as good as Zoom. Ymmv.
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Apparently I believe three use cases don't constitute a "trend", is more like it. Because the article ignores the popularity and growth of this service. So huge influx of customers minus some outgo seems like a net positive.
It dropped 78.37%, that’s bad for any company.
 
It dropped 78.37%, that’s bad for any company.
It's about level for the last 6 months. Apple has the same type of fluctuations and can fluctuate wildly. Not saying Zoom doesn't have items to address, but it's going down the tubes as being postulated here. Nor are they having any real issues. They are the #1 target at this point in time.
 
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Oh, because the drop has NOTHING to do with the recent news about it. K :rolleyes:

imagine if Apple dropped 78.37%
Zoom has been about level the last 6 months. You are calculating the drop from a one day abnormal high. Apple has also fluctuated wildly. And you don't know if the fluctuations were due to the news or the economy. :rolleyes:
 
Zoom has been about level the last 6 months. You are calculating the drop from a one day abnormal high. Apple has also fluctuated wildly. And you don't know if the fluctuations were due to the news or the economy. :rolleyes:
When has Apple have that big a drop recently? I don’t think they had a drop like that even with the FaceTime issues last year (or the year before?).
You 1st wanted a list of companies who ban Zoom, I Gave you it. You said their stock was up, it’s not. Now you give excuse... ok cool, you like them and probably own stock in them.
 
When has Apple have that big a drop recently? I don’t think they had a drop like that even with the FaceTime issues last year (or the year before?).
You 1st wanted a list of companies who ban Zoom, I Gave you it. You said their stock was up, it’s not. Now you give excuse... ok cool, you like them and probably own stock in them.
So basically your narrative is they are in trouble. And my narrative is they have exhibited growth with normal turn-over and are doing well. The stock being up is dependent on the time frame and is it up over the long haul. Similarly stock being down depends on the day day you are measuring against. So, unfortunately this is the game that is being played.

Ok, cool, you are biased against Zoom because you own stock in Cisco. /s
 
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So basically your narrative is they are in trouble. And my narrative is they have exhibited growth with normal turn-over and are doing well. The stock being up is dependent on the time frame and is it up over the long haul. Similarly stock being down depends on the day day you are measuring against. So, unfortunately this is the game that is being played.

Ok, cool, you are biased against Zoom because you own stock in Cisco. /s
Technically as a whole was up.
They have a lot of issues, so much, they have a 90 day plan that no new features will be released until this is fixed, so yes, it’s a problem.
I actually said this about them:

At least they are trying. Who knows, they might be good after all of this.

i also never said anything on here about Cisco.
 
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This is a major PR fiasco for Zoom. My company was using it a lot during lockdown (since March 18). All staff have now been instructed to uninstall Zoom from our office laptops & temporarily download Skype. I even uninstalled it from my personal computer where I do my banking transactions. This is a case of a company growing too fast due to surge in demand arising from Covid-19.
 
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