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Abaganov

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Does anybody here runs with this kind of setup?

I love working on the Mac but I also need some windows only software from time to time.

I know I can (and I have) ran those software via virtual machine or bootcamp but they never really works the same like on a native windows machine.

Also having to use virtual machines is the sole reason I have to upgrade my ram and SSD on the Mac which gets pretty expensive.

I calculated that for the price of spect up 16” MacBook Pro I can bring a nice windows gaming laptop plus base model 13” MBP (for general work and surfing) and enjoy both worlds.

I can hook them both to my monitor and switch inputs and switch between them for different work tasks

Also use the MBP for traveling/working outdoors
 
Does anybody here runs with this kind of setup?

I have multiple computers in my house (one MBP, and the rest PCs). I only use one laptop myself and in all honesty trying to use two laptops and synchronize the data can be a pain.

I calculated that for the price of spect up 16” MacBook Pro I can bring a nice windows gaming laptop plus base model 13” MBP (for general work and surfing) and enjoy both worlds.
What are your needs and what apps will you be running? In all likelihood, you'll be gravitating to a single machine and the other will not get much usage once the newness wears off.
 
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I have multiple computers in my house (one MBP, and the rest PCs). I only use one laptop myself and in all honesty trying to use two laptops and synchronize the data can be a pain.

thanks for chiming in

most of my work is on chrome so it does a pretty good job in synchronizing everything.

the apps are mostly SEO programs (search engine optimization) that I run for my business.
 
I'm a kinda in the situation as my 2018 13" MBP is not powerful enough to drive a 4K external screen and to render some footage on FCPX, it's working but it's not as smooth as I want it to be.

Issues related to the 16" MBP and external screen are concerning (see the massive thread on the forum)... And actually a bigger laptop will be cumbersome to carry.

Isn't a Windows desktop a good option? Because then you can use your MBP while traveling and still have a powerful machine at home to run your Windows programs.
 
Thats exactly my setup. Using a Windows desktop with ryzen and a MBA 2020.
do you got your MBA connected to the monitor or you use it as is?
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Why get two laptops though?
pure greed tbh
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I'm a kinda in the situation as my 2018 13" MBP is not powerful enough to drive a 4K external screen and to render some footage on FCPX, it's working but it's not as smooth as I want it to be.

Issues related to the 16" MBP and external screen are concerning (see the massive thread on the forum)... And actually a bigger laptop will be cumbersome to carry.

Isn't a Windows desktop a good option? Because then you can use your MBP while traveling and still have a powerful machine at home to run your Windows programs.
true. I do like laptops better tho as I am moving houses a lot and it's more mobile
 
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You should really consider a desktop imo, and maybe still install Bootcamp or a VM on your Mac when you really need Windows. A desktop is much more powerful than a laptop (especially for intensive tasks), more upgradeable and cheaper.

Owning two laptops is useless as eventually you'll only carry one, they'll overlap. I'd have two main machines.
 
do you got your MBA connected to the monitor or you use it as is?
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pure greed tbh
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true. I do like laptops better tho as I am moving houses a lot and it's more mobile
At the moment im using the internal display. But i can connect it if i want it.
 
I was using a MBP (i7/16/370X), with Windows work in a VM, then during a pivot that had me out on the west coast in the AR/VR space, I wound up wanting a dedicated windows machine so switched over to Bootcamp (lightweight viz, mostly SDK coding, some API/service work, no GPU heavy lifting, but shared resources made things a little clunky ...). I wound up setting up a number of redundant tools since - as you know - when you're in Bootcamp, you're mostly isolated. I used things like DBox, and GDrive to sync files across the "machines", etc., it was fine for a time.

Then we wound up scoring some high[er] end dedicated laptops (i7, 32GB, 8GB GTX-1080) as we got way deeper into the AR/VR work, I still had work with my primary company, in both Windows tech stacks and iOS code work, I wound up migrating anything windows to that new machine, abandoning Bootcamp. So now at least I could have both instances concurrent, but separate machines meant a lot of gyrations, changes in some UI/UX, and during this time I was actually traveling (normally I work from the World HQ, aka, home :D), so then it became a whole thing with managing code/content/etc., resources. Also, I dislike working directly on a notebook, so both these machines needed external displays, input devices, a switch sort of worked, but I needed them at the same time, so my desk was a nightmare.

Ugh.

I wound up stepping away from that AR/VR work, my other contracts got massive, focused on those, sold that machine, back to Bootcamp. Wound up needing to swap OSs a little too much, had workflows things like an API running in one, but a mobile client in the other, and I really prefer MacOS as my primary computing platform, so I thought, I want to try running in a VM again, and there was a good bit more computing power available in the Mac line (~3rd quarter '19), and the wife's MBP needed an update, so I moved my MBP to her (for her use, it's awesome). Since I also have no need for a traveling "development level" device, I went back to a Mini, an '18 I7 6-core, 32GB, it's running 2 QHD Dell displays, it's just fantastic.

I migrated my old Bootcamp to a VM, and under this new machine, with plenty of power, and the latest Parallels, it works fantastic. Now I can easily cross platform develop, I have most tools on native MacOS, plus all my personal resources (like Photos), removed the need for syncing source across the machines. I'm even doing things like running Oracle in a Docker container in the Mac, for use by the Windows VM.

So in my experience, if MacOS is your primary OS, and you've got some tasks in Windows, and you've got plenty of machine resources (cycles, RAM, etc.), using a VM is a terrific solution. I run my couple of Windows dev tools using Coherence, so they're just "native-like" Windows windows in MacO - or -iIf I want to isolate the windows work, I can go full screen on a single display (while retaining file and services sharing, etc.)

Right now, without this machine breathing too hard, I'm running in MacOS: XCode, ST 2. Chrome, Outlook, Postman, Sketch, Messages, a number of misc smaller utilities, and a VM that's running Visual Studio, SQL Server, and IIS (as you may know, some of those have a substantial footprint) :) Everything works together, KB,Mouse map perfectly, I can C&P across OSs, using the IIS instance as a backend to the XCode work (and I can pretty much open other apps OTF as needed, without any slowdown or need to shutdown/restart, etc.)



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Oh, this machine, mostly running this workspace, stays up 24/7, in fact, my last uptime before a semi-recent shutdown was 75 days ... o_O
 
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Well, I kept splitting between the two. Cross-platform development was one of the reasons (very minor to be honest, I've not had to deal with this for years now). The other was some apps I used both for personal hobby and for work were Windows-only and required something other than the integrated graphics. I used to game a bit on Windows as well, but I found out in recent years, the only game I'd ever launch up was Forza Horizon 4 on some... days during the month, so I bought a Xbox One X for that.

I had tried running Bootcamp back in 2012-2013, and VMs in Parallel. It sort of worked, but thermal management under Windows was always worse than the Mac side, as was battery life (3 hours max?). Parallel and VMWare Fusion weren't as powerful back then, either.

That led me to a hunt for a "decent" Windows machine. I wasn't ready to spend $2K+ since I knew the Windows machine was kind of an accessory to my Mac. Ran with a 13" MBP and a mix of Dell XPS 15, Razer Blade 15, Huawei MateBook X Pro etc...

Then the 16" MacBook came out late last year. It took me a few months of deliberation, but I finally took the plunge earlier last month. Installed Bootcamp on it, and... my Dell XPS 15 was sold last week.

I still don't turn on Bootcamp very often, if at all, but it's there when I need it. Some Mac ergonomics carried over by way of the firmware, which is very welcome because certain things I like about a MacBook just... I never could do on a Windows computer.

But other than that, I'd agree with the above. One machine is always going to be your main. For me, it's the MacBook. The other machine will always feel like an expensive accessory. Needless to say, I didn't usually need to sync between the computers. If I needed to transfer anything, Logitech Flow worked. Right click, copy, move over, right click, paste. Before Logitech Flow was a thing, I used Dukto as a "cheaper" alternative to Airdrop.

I even toyed with the idea that the 13" could be connected to an eGPU and that would solve my occasional Bootcamp urges, but... no. Let's just say Bootcamp + eGPU is a bad idea. The eGPU itself isn't bad under MacOS, but the constant fan noise from the GPU itself sucks.

The 16" is not perfect (it has some quirks), but to date, it's the thing that fits my needs (and wants) the best.
 
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