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Panther 7B68 Seeded

Maybe we shouldn't hear about every single seed, but i'd like to know when Panther is nearing GM.
As for ThinkSecret breaking laws, it's pretty funny when "undisclosed officials" at the CIA leak something to the Washington Post. At least ThinkSecret has been great at posting reliable rumors/news.
No one wants to close down the seed program. I think the availability of seeds has gotten worse (better?) due to the anticipation of Panther. Everyone that has tried it has been amazed how much better it is compared to Jag. I know it doesn't make it right but in a way Apple makes people do this because they want Panther so bad. It only takes one and i hope Apple doesn't take it out on the developers.
 
Originally posted by derekamoss
I don't believe that Apple will stop the seeding process completely because they need people to test the seeds. If anything they will add something in to the seeds to see which seeder they leaked from such as a PID or something like that.
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They trialed a similar thing with Safari. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
I can't think of any immediate benefits of halting the seeding, as it would

- Mean ADC members are getting less for their money (so to speak).
- Not stop Microsoft/competitors getting their grubby hands on info and seeds.
- Increase the build-time.

Also what percentage of Mac users are online, are interested enough to read rumor sites, are still interested enough to follow Panther seeds, have a connection capable of downloading them, then report back on them etc etc...I would guess very little. At the same time I guess the seeds possibly damage sales, and spoil the "oohhhhhh" factor at presentations.

AppleMatt
 
i really would like to know how good the finder supports smb and ftp in this build? if there is no problem with that the build is approaching fc as those are important technologies. of course the overall design and graphical glitches are also a good indicator.

or maybe apple doesn't touch the fishy ftp implimitation of jaguar?! ...i don't hope it!
 
Originally posted by henryblackman
Except Apple have said they *will* withdraw the seed programme if these breaches of NDA continue.

So that's how it jeopardises the programme.
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They're just trying to scare people. They said the same thing with Jaguar. Every seed was pirated, and they still threatened, and still released seeds. Apple just can't afford to stop the seeds. And if they do, it'll be the people releasing the seeds to the general public who will be to blame, not Think Secret. They just give news of when a seed is released. What harm does that do? MacRumors will have done FAR more harm to the Panther program when they showed those Expose shots a few months back. Just about every national newspaper does similar things.

- Jimmni
 
Originally posted by Jimmni
They're just trying to scare people. They said the same thing with Jaguar. Every seed was pirated, and they still threatened, and still released seeds. Apple just can't afford to stop the seeds. And if they do, it'll be the people releasing the seeds to the general public who will be to blame, not Think Secret. They just give news of when a seed is released. What harm does that do? MacRumors will have done FAR more harm to the Panther program when they showed those Expose shots a few months back. Just about every national newspaper does similar things.

- Jimmni
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i'd like to see them embed something in the test seeds when 10.4 comes around - something identifying the 'tester' or 'developer' - the leaks would no doubt stop.
 
Originally posted by Jimmni
MacRumors will have done FAR more harm to the Panther program when they showed those Expose shots a few months back.
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Even though Steve Jobs showed Expose himself?

hmmmmmm

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by bitfactory
i'd like to see them embed something in the test seeds when 10.4 comes around - something identifying the 'tester' or 'developer' - the leaks would no doubt stop.
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That will stop the distribution of the OS itself but it will not stop information about the seed from coming.

Truth be told this is Apples fault. They struggle to maintain secrecy and that creates a challenge for Mac users. Apple stopping the seed program would simply hurt their ADC memberships. It ain't happening.
 
Originally posted by henryblackman
At the end of the day, while I'm probably sounding zealot-like, if Apple withdraw the seed programme, Thinksecret will probably be a big cause.
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Thinksecret doesn't leak the builds, ADC members do. Posting information about the builds is minor in comparison to the distribution of them.
 
If Nick is right, and he's legally covered by Press laws, that doesn't make some of his actions OK.

The Press laws he described are there in order to ensure that people, organizations, or governments can't bury dirty secrets easily.
Apple provides these beta releases only under the conditions of their NDA. These aren't smuggled documents detailing Apple wrong doing, these are software releases that Apple makes available to developers under the understaning that the details of said software remain confidential.

I'm not a lawyer, but if Nick receives this information and understands that the source has provided the information in direct violation of a NDA contract with Apple, he shouldn't print details of photos of the releases. Apple is a company. It has the right to keep details of upcomming software under wraps until they see fit. This isn't a government hiding details of how many people are being detained.. it's a company trying to do business, and trying to do the best for it's investors.

Saying that a release is out is one thing. Saying whether it's buggy or great or fast is probably OK IMHO too.
Posting screen shots and reviews of developer releases is not right.

I don't think Apple will kill the seeds. The seeding process is as usefull to Apple as it is to developers. It doesn't help Apple to release Panther and find out that half the apps don't work under it.
They might, however, begin to limit the number of beta's the release.. maybe they'll hold out features from the betas till release.
This wouldnt' help Apple, it wouldn't help developers.. and in turn it certainly wouldn't help Mac users.

I like Thinksecret. I've posted there quite a bit and I feel like i'm part of the community there, but I don't like the detailed beta reports.

ffakr
 
OK, seriously guys, give me a break. Posting information about leaked Panther seeds is not going to make Apple cancel the seed program, nor is it going to hurt Apple as a company.

Apple has done this to themselves. They've *ALWAYS* been a secretive company, unlike Microsoft which often does public previews of its upcoming software and stuff. Due to the secrecy, and due to the fact that Apple has come to have a loyal group of followers, these followers want to know about everything that Apple is going to do next. They want to be the first to know about what next new innovative product Apple has around the corner. Apple just feeds the fire by continuing to be secretive and by continuing to not comment on rumors.

I'm not saying this is a bad part of Apple's policy. They do have every right to protect their products, and to release information about them when they see fit.

But Apple rumors have been around for such a long time! MacOSRumors.com has been around since at least 1997; same with AppleTurns.com, which used to be more of a rumor site than a satirical Apple news site. MacNN used to run a rumor site; AppleInsider's been around for a while. So why do you guys think that more rumors are going to hurt Apple? They're not! Apple has had to deal with this for a long time, and no matter what they try to do, Apple's not going to get away from it. So Apple has no choice to accept it.

Seriously, though... there's a small dedicated group of rumormongers who like to go to ThinkSecret and MacOSRumors and read about all the new things that Apple's been prototyping (like the G5 dodecahedron... :rolleyes: ). But the average Mac user couldn't care less about all this rumormongering. And we're already dealing with about 5% of computer users anyway, so there's a relatively small number of people who read Apple rumors. So the leaking of all this information is really not going to jeopardize Apple's business. That argument is specious, at best.

Let me stress one more time that Apple rumors have been around for many years, so having rumors around right now is not going to be any more of a problem to Apple than it was back in 1997.

And if you believe that leaking information about software development will hurt Apple, then there's no choice for you but to admit that leaking information about upcoming HARDWARE products will hurt Apple even more, necessitating the entire shutdown of MacRumors. Do you really think that MacRumors has *THAT* much of an effect on Apple's business? We often don't even have any of the correct information! Apple still pulls off surprises (like the original iMac, and the introduction of the 12" and 17" Powerbooks). What about Exposé? Everyone was just going bonkers off the walls about piles, and it's still nowhere to be seen in Panther. Yet Apple pulls off the surprise unveiling of an *AWESOME* new feature that is going to be so much of a better timesaver than piles ever could be.

At the most, all that rumors do is lag sales just before big trade shows, but that lag in sales is offset by pent up demand for upcoming products AFTER Apple introduces them at major trade shows, so it all evens out in the end. Apple probably even benefits from the publicity that rumors generate, especially when publications like the NYTimes get in on the rumor frenzy.

But, no, rumors do not hurt Apple in the least.
 
Originally posted by derekamoss
I don't believe that Apple will stop the seeding process completely because they need people to test the seeds. If anything they will add something in to the seeds to see which seeder they leaked from such as a PID or something like that.
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Wrong. They stopped the Safari seed program when a build was leaked less then 2 hours after being seeded.
 
Originally posted by simX
(like the original iMac, and the introduction of the 12" and 17" Powerbooks).
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Good post, and I agree, BUT, Macrumors had the 12" and 17" on the main page long enough for me to see it before Arn pulled it because the source didn't like the info he supplied being on the main page.
 
Originally posted by Wes
Good post, and I agree, BUT, Macrumors had the 12" and 17" on the main page long enough for me to see it before Arn pulled it because the source didn't like the info he supplied being on the main page.
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I still count the 12" and 17" PowerBook introduction as a successful Apple surprise because arn only posted the info on MacRumors late the night before Jobs' expo keynote (I think it may even have been past midnight). So by that time many people could just as well have gotten the news from Apple's front page, given that probably some people had gone to bed, and others had probably left for MWSF in the morning.
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Even though Steve Jobs showed Expose himself?

hmmmmmm

AppleMatt
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*sigh* sheesh... I'm talking about the leaked shots MR showed *before* WWDC and Jobs' demo. Panther's biggest new feature - the surprise blown. A few bugs fixed - surprise blown. Which is worse? Which is more harmful to Apple?

And saying "But Job's showed Expose anyway!" is pointless, since he showed most of Panther. ThinkSecret hasn't had any great scoops on this, they've just kept people reliably informed.

- Jimmni
 
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
and all we had for expose` was a screenshot of the preferences. we didn't know what t was.
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Actually, we had screen shots of the preferences, of it in action, and shots, for that matter, giving away Panther's new look. And there were fairly detailed descriptions of what Expose did. It was an 80% giveaway, and I wish I'd not seen it prior to the keynote. At least I didn't believe it was real, so I still got some element of surprise.

- Jimmni
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Why come to a rumor site if you're going to complain about finding something out ahead of time? :confused:
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EXACTLY, if you think Apple's sales are being ruined by this, why please, be the first to voice your opinion by not coming back.
 
Running 7b68

Ok I installed it and still haven't been able to find anything new...other than the system wide debug menu is gone (or they changed the hot key) so no more sidebar tweaker. Quicktime seems to be 6.4 final...still. Pretty much a bug squashing releace, more refinement. Since there is nothing new, and the new desktops are in, GM is coming soon.

(In an unrealted note, if you use toast 6 hold down option then get info about toast 6...I found the easter egg while looking for new stuff in 10.3)
 
Check it out for yourself!

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Seeeeee.

I just noticed it the other day. And I thought there was nothing new. Woo hoo!
 

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