Papers3 and iCloud syncing

Discussion in 'macOS Sierra (10.12)' started by sta1210, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. sta1210 macrumors member

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    I have been a long time user and supportive of Papers (from Mekentosj) for a scientific manuscript database, having a library that is nearly 8 GB in size is a testament to how robust the database features are. Previously they only supported Dropbox syncing. I am contemplating using the iCloud Drive on my Sierra based home MacBook and office Macbook? Any thoughts on how this may work? Where to place the "primary" drive?
     
  2. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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  3. dai-leung macrumors member

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    I have been using the latest version (released in May, 2016, but since then there has not been a new release) of papers 3 with El Capitan.

    Does anyone know if papers 3 is compatible with Sierra? I tried to make it work with Sierra. but after spending many days and exchanging emails with papers3 support, papers 3 still can not work with Sierra.

    I would like papers 3 to work with Sierra because I bought a LG5K ultrafine display which only works with Sierra, but does not work with El Capitan.

    Any help or new info would be much appreciated.
     
  4. powerplant macrumors member

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    I work with papers 3 in sierra and it woks fine (macbookpro15 w tb). som things are super slow but it works.
    However i am wondering of how it works in High Sierra? Anyone tried it?
     
  5. dai-leung macrumors member

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    Thanks for your response.

    Which Sierra version (that can work with Papers 3) are u using? Any idea what things work super slow?
     
  6. powerplant macrumors member

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    It is only switching to the authors tab that is slow the rest is fine. There is a pdf rendering problem as well but it is not so disturbing (And it is system wide so don't blame Papers). I run latest of both and i just updated to high sierra and its seams to work fine so far.
     
  7. dai-leung macrumors member

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    Thanks again. Does papers 3 in high Sierra have the same problems as in Sierra?
     
  8. powerplant macrumors member

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    there is no difference, that I have fond, between sierra and high sierra regarding papers 3
     
  9. dai-leung macrumors member

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    From your replies, my problem with Sierra could be due to the number of papers. I have collected more than twenty thousands research papers, which work without any problem in El Capitan. However, when upgraded to Sierra, there appears to be endless indexing going on in the background. I tried installing Sierra many times, but problem did not go away. Support at papers3 provided little support. The end result is papers 3 does not work in Sierra. There is no reason to believe this indexing problem will go away in high sierra.

    Just wondering the number of papers you have.

    There is no denying that Papers does not seem to be interested in continue supporting papers3 for Mac as there has not been a new update since May 2016.
     
  10. powerplant macrumors member

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    I have a bout 4000 papers in my database
    Agree the papers team might be doing something else
     
  11. werekorden macrumors newbie

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    I have about 10000 papers and books.
    Well it is bought by readcube some time ago. When I was complaining about the many problems Papers has, they just told me you can switch to readcube.

    This is just not ok. You can not search whole books if you are in the Library view. This sucks, there are so many things that suck but readcube uses its own cloud and you have to pay monthly aso. I don#t understand what these guys are thinking?

    They implement easy social media posting but can not fix the essential things like fast good retina view or fast and easy annotations, without loosing the annotations later on. Or dealing with paper-files getting lost over time(I lost about 200 papers/books) or the speed of the program and so on. To say iCloud doesn't work because apple is so bad to us is just ******** other small companies can do it as well.

    It is better if I won't start talking about the ****** iOS-Papers app.

    I am done with papers, As soon as I will find a better Program I will switch as fast as possible.

    Really you censor bull***sh*t and shi*t*y!!! I am so sick of american idiots man you really need a war inside to understand what is important in the world.
     
  12. mporcheron macrumors member

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    I switched back from Papers3 to Mendeley last year. Papers was sold by Springer to ReadCube (a competing app) and they have only released a minor update since. They have previously said development hasn't ended, but it certainly isn't continuing. It was a shame, but the app froze when using a publisher's template and as soon as the company was sold, interest in fixing bugs seemed to wane, and so I was forced to switch.
     
  13. werekorden macrumors newbie

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    Yeah,

    Well All iOS-apps are ****** in there own kind. I want something that works good together on Mac and iOS.

    Mendeley has a really annoying annotation function. Papers is way better but also far from the functionality of simple pdf-Reader for iOS.
    15€/month for unlimited storage? Really I have at least 4 Cloud-Systems. I just want two or so and now I should add another iCloud system and even have to pay for it.

    Question to the App-Developer:
    • Why can't they just bring a app that connects to the lets say 4 major iCloud systems and if the company wants it in addition have an own iCloud system. People could choose!
    • Why can't they make a annotation system that works easily with a little toolbar, to quickly change between colours for highlighting.
    • Oh why does (for papers) the matching process using DOI got worse over time instead of getting better.
    • Why is there (for papers) no full pdf search possibility. Spotlight does it quite easily.
     
  14. mporcheron macrumors member

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    The answer to this all of these is that Papers is not developed or maintained since it was sold to ReadCube.

    Also, yes, Mendeley is complete junk. It pulls in wrong or ridiculous data a lot when matching DOIs (the number of times I have to remove papers:// URLs that are pulled from Mendeley's servers). Its annotation functions and lack of standard cloud provider support are designed to stop you exporting your library and using another system ever. Remember, it's made by Elsevier, a company that makes Apple look charitable. Its also a great case of design by happenstance rather than intent (I assume, as if what we have now was intended, Mendeley is in dire need of someone with imagination).

    Sadly, Papers was the best bibliography manager, but its now decaying.
     

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