Paralells 7 incompatible with Mavericks?! Why?

[Nightarchaon]

Buy the upgrade and don't complain, or don't upgrade to mavericks and keep using your old software.

Personally i think the minor cost of an upgrade license for Parallels is negligible for such a technically superb product, and given that i now don't have to pay apple for upgrading the OS this year, ive actually spent LESS upgrading to Mavericks than i did upgrading to Mountain lion last time

If everyone expected you to do your job, but you only get paid for the first year, then after that you got nothing, even though they expected you to continue to work just as hard , you would quit, same with the Parallels team, you paid for a product, you paid a reasonable price for it, they do not owe you free upgrades for life.

 

[esmode]

I can't speak to the differences as I've never used Parallels. No complaints but I only use it for one application once or twice a month, but it does the job.

Parallels has much better performance and features, but if VirtualBox is working for you, then I would stick with it. VirtualBox is also a lot slower at fully supporting new guest OSes. For example, it took them a while to get Aero running on it.

Just got rid of Parallels and installed Virtualbox. It's pretty slow so far. But Windows is still ironing itself out. Difficult to know how much of my 4gb ram to allocate. I'm trying 1.5gb.

VirtualBox is going run it slower, but running vms on a host machine with only 4gb of ram isn't ideal. I've tried lowering the guest ram to 1.5gb and there is a large drop in performance.

 

[Aragornii]

My VirtualBox stopped working when I installed Mavericks. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

 

[thejadedmonkey]

My VirtualBox stopped working when I installed Mavericks. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Yeah. Reinstall it after every reboot

 

[Aragornii]

Yeah. Reinstall it after every reboot

lol, that's probably not far from the truth since all of a sudden it decided to start working again.

 

[Daysight]

for any of you who care: here is the answer to my complaint from Parallels Staff: "Parallels invests and focuses our finite resources on creating superior software to support Windows, Mac, Google, Linux and other communities -- software with the best compatibility and deepest integration with the latest and greatest from those hardware and OS providers. This development and innovation comes with costs, and it’s not feasible to offer free upgrades from older versions of Parallels Desktop software." Well i guess this is the standard answer.

I felt momentary annoyance feeling compelled to upgrade from 7 to 9, but on reflection realized $40 isn't much given the developer's work, my near daily use, the amazing simplicity of convergence mode, and Parallel's efficiency under the hood. And tech support was very easy to access and helpful when I had a glitch after installing Mavericks. Virtual machine software has to be one of the trickiest types to develop and maintain.

 

[irnchriz]

Dump parallels and use VMware fusion. Cheaper and longer life.

 

[talmy]

Yeah. Reinstall it after every reboot

Even worse than that, not only doesn't it work after reboot but when it does run it locks up and won't exit -- not even forced quit will stop it.

Earlier versions of VirtualBox worked with Mavericks, it's just the latest that has problems!

Goes to prove you get what you pay for.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

I would suggest that the trouble is with Apple too. Yearly updates of the OS that end up breaking a lot of software (Parallels compatibility being one of them) is too much, I think.

I don't know about you guys but I miss the days when an OS lasted a good few years.

I would suggest that we (those of us who moved from Windows) gave up having to constantly patch DLL files and deal with stability issues that way, to now having to deal with broken software due to OS updates every year. Either way it takes much valued time away from work and leisure (and being part of MacRumors ) and forces it to be used with ensuring/reestablishing software compatibilities.

And if you don't update OS, you fall behind with software availability (e.g. the new iLife and iWork, iCould compatibility, iBooks, etc.).

Come on Apple, stop causing so much fragmentation on your desktop side.

That would be a valid argument if Apple was trying to charge $100 for an upgrade, but they are giving away the thing for free. Upgrade if you like, but there really isn't a reason to delay it unless there is some legacy app that won't be compatible for whatever reason.

And that brings us to the app vendor. Can these refresh cycles for OS X give vendors an out for leaving older versions behind? Yes. And I'm not entirely sure that this is a bad thing. As an example, an app like Parallels is constantly updated and supported very well by the vendor. If they kept the gravy train going for Parallels 7 and didn't prod users to upgrade at some point, we could easily get to a point where it isn't sufficiently profitable enough for them to continue operations.

At the end of the day though, it boils down to a choice on the part of the user. Do you upgrade your OS and risk having to pay for upgrades to some of your apps? Or do you stay with older versions of the OS so you don't have to fork out the cash for upgrades? Apple obviously incentivized people to upgrade this time with some pretty good features in Mavericks, but there is a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be done on the user's part to determine whether all of the new bells and whistles offset the cost for software upgrades that will become necessary. Personally, for me, it was. I upgraded to Mavericks and had to spend the $50 to upgrade Parallels to v9. I've also recently purchased new versions of Omnifocus for iPhone ($20) and Fantastical ($3). Developers need to eat too and its always nice to help support the good ones.

 

[tootall]

Quick Question:

Paralell desktop is working fine with windows 7 on OSX 10.9 Mavericks for both my MBA (mid 2011) and iMac (late 2012) but not on my wife's MBP (mid 2010).

Is that normal? On the old MBP I get this "Urgent message from Paralell to upgrade to version 9" but not on the other two computers... what is going on?

 

[talmy]

Quick Question:

Paralell desktop is working fine with windows 7 on OSX 10.9 Mavericks for both my MBA (mid 2011) and iMac (late 2012) but not on my wife's MBP (mid 2010).

Is that normal? On the old MBP I get this "Urgent message from Paralell to upgrade to version 9" but not on the other two computers... what is going on?

Do the other computers have Parallels 8? It's only Parallels 7 (and earlier) that are incompatible with Mavericks. (Note that the OS you are running under it, Windows 7 for you, is irrelevant to the issue.)

 

[tootall]

Do the other computers have Parallels 8? It's only Parallels 7 (and earlier) that are incompatible with Mavericks. (Note that the OS you are running under it, Windows 7 for you, is irrelevant to the issue.)

Hi Talmy,

Thats what is odd, I am running Parallel 7 on all computers and it has been running flawlessly. Now all of sudden that there is "big push" to sell Parallel 9, my MBP cannot run Parallel 7 anymore, but my iMac and MBA can... weird?!.. and all computers are running Mavericks...

 

[talmy]

Hi Talmy,

Thats what is odd, I am running Parallel 7 on all computers and it has been running flawlessly. Now all of sudden that there is "big push" to sell Parallel 9, my MBP cannot run Parallel 7 anymore, but my iMac and MBA can... weird?!.. and all computers are running Mavericks...

Well that is strange. I could never get Parallels 7 to run on Mavericks, even trying some hacks, but Parallels 8 works just fine.

 

[Futurix]

There's no reason for older versions to suddenly stop working, in my opinion. It's just a way for Parallels to force upgrades and make more money.

All virtualisation software has to work with OS X kernel to provide decent performance and for direct hardware access. In Mavericks Apple implemented some major changes to kernel for power efficiency - which might be the reason why old versions of Parallels stopped working.

Generally any software that works with kernel directly has low upgrade-ability - on OS X or any other OS.

Then again, it still might be the greed

 

[cbreak]

What really annoys me with Parallels is that they are trying to cheat their customers. On their web page they claim that they will sell an upgrade for $49.99 US. But as soon as I try to buy it, they ask for $72.43!

That's a price increase of over $22! FOR A DAMN UPGRADE. Those lying scumbags can forget me as customer. Should I ever want to run windows again, I'll just use boot camp or get myself a VMWare Fusion License.

 

[talmy]

What really annoys me with Parallels is that they are trying to cheat their customers. On their web page they claim that they will sell an upgrade for $49.99 US. But as soon as I try to buy it, they ask for $72.43!

That's a price increase of over $22! FOR A DAMN UPGRADE. Those lying scumbags can forget me as customer. Should I ever want to run windows again, I'll just use boot camp or get myself a VMWare Fusion License.

I'm mystified by this. I screen-shot the entire process starting at the parallels.com home page (except for filling in my credit card and and address information) showing exactly how to get the $49.99 upgrade.You do have to uncheck a box for the optional iOS software, but it isn't $22.44.

 

[talmy]

All virtualisation software has to work with OS X kernel to provide decent performance and for direct hardware access. In Mavericks Apple implemented some major changes to kernel for power efficiency - which might be the reason why old versions of Parallels stopped working.

To Parallels credit, they did get Parallels 8, the current version at the time, upgraded to work on Mavericks during the developers preview. So anyone with the current version would be fine. Companies in general don't support any other than the currently sold version.

 

[tootall]

Talmy,

sorry to have wasted your time, my wife's MBP was running Parallel 7, but I didn't remember that I had upgraded my computers to to Parallel 8... I guess I could take better care of my wife!

sorry for the silly question...

 

[cbreak]

I'm mystified by this. I screen-shot the entire process starting at the parallels.com home page (except for filling in my credit card and and address information) showing exactly how to get the $49.99 upgrade.You do have to uncheck a box for the optional iOS software, but it isn't $22.44.

I also made pictures:



It is most definitely a fact that they are asking more money from me than from anyone else I've met online so far.

 

[glenthompson]

I upgraded from Parallels 7 to 9 and bought it online for the stated price. I would call them and ask why it's showing a different price in the shopping cart.

OWC has a sale on a full copy for $50 and less of you spend some money on hardware.

 

[talmy]

I also made pictures:


It is most definitely a fact that they are asking more money from me than from anyone else I've met online so far.

Looked at your pictures. I don't get a currency choice. I guess you are not in the USA and therefore see higher prices?

Go to https://buy.parallels.com/329/purl-us-si2-pd9u and you should see the US upgrade price.

 

[antonis]

Buy the upgrade and don't complain, or don't upgrade to mavericks and keep using your old software.

Personally i think the minor cost of an upgrade license for Parallels is negligible for such a technically superb product, and given that i now don't have to pay apple for upgrading the OS this year, ive actually spent LESS upgrading to Mavericks than i did upgrading to Mountain lion last time

If everyone expected you to do your job, but you only get paid for the first year, then after that you got nothing, even though they expected you to continue to work just as hard , you would quit, same with the Parallels team, you paid for a product, you paid a reasonable price for it, they do not owe you free upgrades for life.

Except that the OP didn't ask for a free upgrade. He just expressed his annoyance for the fact that a relatively recent product demands from the user to upgrade in order to keep working.

 

[26139]

Stop it

for any of you who care:

here is the answer to my complaint from Parallels Staff:

"Parallels invests and focuses our finite resources on creating superior software to support Windows, Mac, Google, Linux and other communities -- software with the best compatibility and deepest integration with the latest and greatest from those hardware and OS providers. This development and innovation comes with costs, and it’s not feasible to offer free upgrades from older versions of Parallels Desktop software."


Well i guess this is the standard answer.

Knock it off. Companies produce software which is made by people who need money to survive. Their time is just as valuable as yours.

You use the software you purchased. The software you purchased works exactly as it did when you bought it, and the company hasn't prevented you from doing anything it didn't originally agree to.

But you changed something. You changed the operating system the software interacts with. This OS is new, so it took real people to make those changes and those people need money to survive.

Piracy is popular because it's easy. Piracy would also suck if you couldn't pirate GOOD software by companies made up of people who need money to survive.

Your argument is ridiculous. You don't agree with the pricing structure? Fine, then don't use the product.

Don't come here and say "it's too expensive for me to buy this obviously useful piece of software and I think that's wrong" because you're basing it on absolutely nothing.

No one forced you to buy this software. No one forced you to change anything, either.

What do you do for a living?

 

[cbreak]

Looked at your pictures. I don't get a currency choice. I guess you are not in the USA and therefore see higher prices?

Go to https://buy.parallels.com/329/purl-us-si2-pd9u and you should see the US upgrade price.

No, it still seems to detect that I am here. With TOR (or probably an other proxy) I get different prices.

I just bought VMWare, much cheaper... They even have an upgrade price from Parallels

 

[steve-p]

Except that the OP didn't ask for a free upgrade. He just expressed his annoyance for the fact that a relatively recent product demands from the user to upgrade in order to keep working.

No-one forced the OP to upgrade OS X to Mavericks though, right? And without that upgrade, the relatively recent product would not have demanded anything and would have continued to work just fine.