payment issue (what to do?)

Sorry, this is entirely your fault.
You did not make a written contract, so you invited abuse by the customer.

Any agreement for services should have a written contract that specifies what the deliverable items are specifically (# of pages, amount of content, # of forms, etc), who is providing what material, The timeline including when edited and approved materials must be received, the amount of time that is allocated for changes and corrections, what happens when more material is added (+$) or material is late (+deadlines), and how and when payment is to happen.

Then get at least 1/3 down payment, and 1/3 at the halfway point. Stipulate that the customer does not own the website code until it is paid in full.

 

well, first of all this should be a lesson to you....even if you're doing this for fun, always have a contract. that's rule #1. otherwise it's too easy to have the "we agreed on" argument.

you should always have a contract, as CanadaRAM said....make sure you account for every detail and make sure the client knows that you don't deliver a finished product until you've received payment in full.

basically...good luck...you'll need it.

 

I'm having the same problem.

Luckly for me I have a contract.

 

You say you already have 700 of his euros? in that case this guy would be pretty stupid to ignore you now and not get his site.
if you haven't already let him know that until you get the full amount the site stays suspended. you're not doing anything illegal (i don't think) because there's no contract.

The guy should realize that he may aswell give you extra cash and get something in return rather than giving away 700 euro for nothing.

 

If you want to resolve this without legal proceedings (and you do, because 300 is not worth the trouble), take it easier with this guy. In large part he is dealing in good faith--he's already paid you 700! Except for the difference in what he says the price was and what you thought, he has been totally reasonable (and it sounds like he now acknowleges that he owes you more money).

I know it took him much longer than he said to give you the content, but really, only very experienced clients can estimate that kind of thing accurately. The fact that it took him months to get everything together doesn't suprise me at all and doesn't mean indicate that he BSing you. This kind of thing is a fact of life in this business and doesn't mean your client is bad.

So, do this:

Unsuspend the site. Suspending it is much more likely to escalate this confilt than resolve it. If you suspended it without a specific warning about that and a reasonable grace period (one week it too short), then that makes you at least as much of an @sshole as him.

Talk to the guy. This is probably a communication issue. The two of you need to know what the other is thinking and expects.

Put his remaining content into the site before getting paid, but ask him first to confirm (in writing!) the $1000 price for the site.

Also, you should expect to make reasonable minor adjustments to the site after it is "done."

 

Either that or cut your losses. Guys like this aren't worth your wasted time.

You say your site is done. Either give it to him as-is, walk away and never return, or make some deal to finish up the rest of the updates he wanted for the remaing 300.

Then walk away and never return.

Let someone else be the victim should he decide he needs more 'little changes'.

 

Why are you still calling him? From what I understand, you got 700 euros already and he doesn't have anything in return. Let him contact you. If he doesn't call you, too bad for him.

 

I was in a situation like this once! infact my first web design job.

Basically we sorted a price he gave me the money but messed me around for like 2months in the end i got all my money and he got the sites. But ill never work with him ever again.

Ive learned my lesson about setting up a contract maybe this is your lesson to!

 

Hopefully he isn't smart enough to ask for the money back now that you have turned off his site.

 

How annoying it might be I think you should learn from your mistakes. I have seen this before as well Before starting on a project make sure the scope of the project is perfectly clear for both you and the client. Write down what is to be delivered to the client, what you expect the client to deliver/provide you with and what your earnings will be. Any changes that are to be made that are not agreed upon after the 'contract' was signed is not in scope and hence should be regared as a new project (and seperate payments). The client can then decide if he finds the changes/additions important enough to develop as well or to let it pass and stay within the agreed scope.

Also, what might help is to deliver the final product in one part. Not in seperate parts with seperate payments. When it's done you deliver it to your client and you get paid.

Next time; try to formalize like above. It will make your and your clients life easier

Good luck!

 

Sorry for your trouble. I am still waiting on payment done for a small job in November of 2005. I did not have a contract and even if I did it does not make someone do the right thing. Money up front is the only way to work. I am still trying to collect. I have done all that I could think of. Calling a lot, going by his office, sending multiple bills, making sure his co-workers deliver my bills for me etc. I have decided to cut my losses and always get cash up front from now on.

 

Basically you're lucky you even got 700 euro. You should have a maintenance contract and a design contract.

 

Contracts have a purpose, so use em.

 

I don't think that lying is a good way forward here...