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3 things basically leave me on the winning side of these tpyes of situations.

3. just asking "why" after someone says "macs suck", usually ends up in them responding "i dont know, they just do", and this usually ends quickly with me winning the argument by convincing them that they dont know what theyre talking about.

2. "macs suck"
"why do you think that?"
"cause they suck for gaming"

then i usually shoot them down by telling them theyre stupid for trying to compare gaming on macs when obviously no one buys a mac just for gaming.

1. Dock zoom and genie effects do the trick just about every time, :cool: especially when you hold down shift when you click the minimize bubble!
 
Basically I give them them the following reasons, in no particular order.

I'm a geek and I like Unix.
Look and feel.
No viruses.
No driver disks.
No blue screens of death - ever.
I'm not a big gamer anymore, but I can play the games I want..Diablo, RtCW, Civ, etc.
iApps.
I repair PCs for a living, the last thing I want to do is work on my own computer.
 
Originally posted by iJon
if you are speechless and have nothing to come back with, follow this steps closely....
I don't know if xback in needed if you use the terminal, I've read the Jaguar version of the Missing Manual series, and they outline the commands to get the currently selected screen saver to run in the background. If there's interest I can look it up at home and post it here.

As for the Mac vs. PC argument, I can see areas of improvement for the Mac (like three button mouse and scroll wheel), but obviously I believe Macs are a superior product. Usually my PC friends don’t argue or kid me about using Macs much anymore. I can attribute that to a few well timed comments, like when their systems don’t recognize their network cards, or their $600 video card will play one game but is incompatible with other. In these circumstances I just say “I’d like to help, but I’ve never had a problem like this on my Mac.” The last time I got ribbing for my Mac loyalty was when I put an apple sticker on my car. My friend of course moaned and said “What is THAT doing there!?!”. I replied “I just didn’t want my car to crash.”
:D

Funny you don't see to many 'Windows/dell/IBM' stickers do you? Save for those people who are employed by said companies.

Raid
 
If you guys are so happy with your macs then why does everyone always get so defensive everytime someone says pcs are better? I like being the minority with the inside scoop. It was like being the first one of your friends to have a cable modem or a dvd-r. Don't try to explain to them through words why macs are better, show them. Actions speak louder than words.
 
careful

Originally posted by Raid
I can attribute that to a few well timed comments, like when their systems don’t recognize their network cards, or their $600 video card will play one game but is incompatible with other.


Originally posted by necrosmith
No driver disks.


Comments like these are like a PC guy saying "Your Mac can't multitask" referring to OS9. Driver disks are virtually a thing of the past with XP. In fact, I was shocked to discover OSX required a driver disk for a generic compact flash card reader, when XP did not.

XP recognizes network cards just fine, and stay away from the video card argument when an identical video card costs far less on a PC.

There are some great arguments here, especially the virus issue and OSX's "prettyness" but if you are fair they might start to realize you are not an idiot.
 
Re: careful

Originally posted by acj
Driver disks are virtually a thing of the past with XP.

Interesting. Just last week I had to install printer drivers on an XP machine for an hp printer. With the mac, I just put in the IP address and was good to go.

In recent memory, I can't recall needing driver disks for any of the Mac Machines I support.

Although, you are right. XP has gotten a lot better.
 
Re: careful

Originally posted by acj
Comments like these are like a PC guy saying "Your Mac can't multitask" referring to OS9. ... XP recognizes network cards just fine, and stay away from the video card argument when an identical video card costs far less on a PC.

Well I kept my comments general, and your argument seems specific. So I'll explain:

To be fair the network card issue I was referring to wasn't on an XP machine and the drivers were repeatedly installed, and updates sought over the internet. Nothing they tried worked, they gave up and bought a new card even though the 'problematic card' was about 1-2 years old.

As for the video card, it was a Christmas gift purchased so a friend could play a very graphics intensive game. It worked for that game fine, but had issues with several other games making them unplayable in his eyes. I only mentioned the price to reflect the significant expense paid for a product that in effect limited his computers ability to play games that he could have enjoyed before installing the new card. I made no attempt to compare the prices of cards between PC's and Macs.

Hopefully this will clarify your assumptions on the matter.
 
devils advocate

Yes, these do clarify, and yes XP does require drivers probably more than OSX for most people. I like to keep things fair, and in doing that I play a serious role as the devils advocate. I do this in any argument.

Lately I'm a little biased because I've had two positive PC experiences and two corresponding negative Mac experiences (!). One was with the compact flash card reader which worked great, driver free, on the PC, and another was a printer.
The PC required drivers, and the Mac wouldn't work on it at all. This is an exception but it still happened.
 
Originally posted by Latino
Well, there is a simple argument to this one. In the UK

PNY GForce 4600 128Mb --- £180
Sony PlayStation 2 ---------- £160.30

(prices from dabs.com)

I have used PCs to play games in the past, but these days, I just see no reason to use a computer for games anymore. Consoles are cheaper and easier to deal with to play games. No compatibility problems, no driver issues, no performance problems. Put the CD in and play.

And with no games in the agenda of my computers, I have little reason to upgrade every 1 1/2 years to play more games. Not to mention the vast selection you get in consoles nowadays.

Well, I guess there's always those who are addicted to RTS games, but can't you play those in consoles? I thought you could get mice for consoles too. Sorry, not much of a gamer anymore since I left college. No time!


---------Multiplayer????????--------
 
Originally posted by sparks9
---------Multiplayer????????--------

Xbox. Sorry, I know its a MS product, but 8 on 8 Halo with 4 big screens is still fun as hell.
 
Originally posted by sparks9
---------Multiplayer????????--------

I thought you could hook up to four controller pads to a PS2, correct me if I'm wrong.

Aaaaah, nothing like sitting down with a few of your mates, a crate of beer, and an entire evening to kill. I may have to go and get me a PS2... :p
 
Multiplayer????????

A friend is beta testing some PS2 networking hardware along with a few games that take advantage of it. Not sure how he signed up for it but it didn't cost much (£40 or something) and he's been sent 2 games to test with it.

I don't know any more info other than you need to have broadband to use the hardware/games and there's absolutely NO lag playing against loads of people at once. Time lag and crappy framerates are something I've heard about time and time again when networked gaming is mentioned, the PS2 with this device can obviously handle it a lot better than a PC or Mac can.

I think that's the definition of Multiplayer, not a few mates round and multiple joypads :D
 
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