pc users, myths, "computer" teachers and quality vs. quantity

[janey]

during math, the computer teacher was the substitute.
we also got new seats. I happen to sit in between every single one of the most violent and amazingly stupid PC users in the entire program at my school.
Wow what a surprise...even the math teacher and the computer teacher both prefer using Windows.
So today we spent the entire time arguing about the pros and cons of owning a Windows PC. We also argued about Macs and Apple and Steve and NeXT.
We spent more than half an hour discussing (more like yelling)...anyone know of any good comebacks?
btw i also got in a bit of trouble by telling quality not quantity in someone's face

 

[VoodooDaddy]

so whats you point? You think because you use a Mac your point of view is right?? Maybe instead of the other guy being the "stupid PC user" you are the "stupid Mac user."

Typical Apple rhetoric there. ANYONE that uses a pc is stupid and a neanderthal.

I have no ill feelings towards Mac, actually I came here looking for advise on which Mac to get for my first one. But I see SO much of this stupid "we are so much better than PC users" crap it makes me not to even want to bother.

I go to alot of pc forums and there are very few random "lets bash Apple" threads like I see on Mac boards.

Get over it ppl. You like Mac, good for you. I prefer PC, good for me. Dont go on like you are better than me because of a goddamn computer.

Flame away if you have to, it will only cement my view that most Apple users are holier-than-thou-pc users.

 

[Thanatoast]

As ümlåt gød I would be willing to smite them for you.

Seriously, comebacks against which arguments, though?

 

[tazo]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
so whats you point? You think because you use a Mac your point of view is right?? Maybe instead of the other guy being the "stupid PC user" you are the "stupid Mac user."

Typical Apple rhetoric there. ANYONE that uses a pc is stupid and a neanderthal.

I have no ill feelings towards Mac, actually I came here looking for advise on which Mac to get for my first one. But I see SO much of this stupid "we are so much better than PC users" crap it makes me not to even want to bother.

I go to alot of pc forums and there are very few random "lets bash Apple" threads like I see on Mac boards.

Get over it ppl. You like Mac, good for you. I prefer PC, good for me. Dont go on like you are better than me because of a goddamn computer.

Flame away if you have to, it will only cement my view that most Apple users are holier-than-thou-pc users.

Allow me to play devils advocate here. While it is true that many mac users regard pc users as neanderthals, many 'mac' users themselves are also pc users. I went to a doctors appointment today, and the woman was using the pc in there to type in my symptoms, and it is running WIN2K pro with some proprietary software on there. here is our conversation: (D=doctor)
D-Augh this comp is so slow
M-well hey thats windows
D-oh are u good with windows?
M-well I am really a mac person
D-oh forget it, you wouldnt know anything about comps then
M-Um, yeah ok.

I swear that was the convo. verbatim. Anyway.

Ubergeek, while it is true that many pc users act queer in their neanderthalic behavior, buit at the same time not everyone is graced with the abillity to own the luxury of a mac. I was able to buy my current mac, an iMac 600mhz G3, via an inheritance. if not for that it would take a job or a ton of saving to get one. I am sure you have several highend macs and from your POV all pc users are stupid, however one must realize that not everyone is graced with the opportunity to purchase and/or learn about a mac.

Just my $0.02, take it or leave it.

-tazo

 

[Flynnstone]

Voodoodaddy
I've used PCs for years. But I've using Macs also lately (OS X) only. My next computer will be a mac. I am waiting for a dual 970 machine. In my opinion, Mac OS handles Dual processors better. I use both Dual processor NT and OS X machines.
So don't give up because of the rhetoric

 

[VoodooDaddy]

I know it goes both ways, "apples sucks", "pc sucks", I've seen it from pc users too. And the majority of the people here have been very helpful in trying to point me in the right direction on my first Mac purchase.

But, as I said, there is just an inordinate amount of the "we are better attitude", way more than I've ever seen on a pc forum.

I guess I should just overlook those kinds of comments, but I'm just a little too confrontational for my own good.

 

[springscansing]

ubergeek... just grow up and realize Apple is just a company out to make a buck for gosh sakes.

 

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
But, as I said, there is just an inordinate amount of the "we are better attitude", way more than I've ever seen on a pc forum.

Eh, that's because we are. You don't see it so much on the PC forums because they know they are not better.

 

[ebow]

Originally posted by springscansing
ubergeek... just grow up and realize Apple is just a company out to make a buck for gosh sakes.

And perhaps stick to... I don't know, maybe math? during math class.

I've bashed both sides in my "younger" days, but almost always as an extracurricular activity.

 

[ebow]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
But, as I said, there is just an inordinate amount of the "we are better attitude", way more than I've ever seen on a pc forum.

I'd venture to say that those who post here constitute a smaller and less representative community than you'll see on many Wintel-oriented forums.

 

[tazo]

Originally posted by ebow
And perhaps stick to... I don't know, maybe math? during math class.

I've bashed both sides in my "younger" days, but almost always as an extracurricular activity.

Classroom discussion can easily digress into a tangent. For example, last week my english teacher was critiquing a paper of mine, in which I wrote "when does the home become a prison for man?"- he wrote back on the paper "......or woman?". I went up to him and questioned him about it, and he said that its not correct to put that down. And bam! We were now in a discussion of political correctness. I made several good points all basically objecting to it, on the grounds that it will never end...

"David letterman forced to change his name to Letterperson"

"As a construction worker I would lift up a man(andwoman)hole cover in the street"

"I would become the personager of a bank"

"Grocers would change a certain fruit to become person-go."

"Pizza guy becomes, mobile retail food delivery specialist"

When does it end?, I asked the teacher, then the bell rang.

 

[janey]

Originally posted by tazo
Ubergeek, while it is true that many pc users act queer in their neanderthalic behavior, buit at the same time not everyone is graced with the abillity to own the luxury of a mac. I was able to buy my current mac, an iMac 600mhz G3, via an inheritance. if not for that it would take a job or a ton of saving to get one. I am sure you have several highend macs and from your POV all pc users are stupid, however one must realize that not everyone is graced with the opportunity to purchase and/or learn about a mac.

i never said anything about all PC users being stupid, i just said the ones at my school and the ones that i know are.
I'm a PC user too, i don't hate windows, i just think that quality is better than quantity, although my fellow classmates would disagree.
and you have to realize that these are people who live less than 30 minutes away from an Apple Store, they can afford to buy high end PC's and tons of games and are willing to spend $$$ for anything new.
Why not get a Mac? They have seen and in some cases used my AluBook/iBook and think it's adorable.
You need to know them to understand my frustration, they've been constantly stating that if Apple was any good it would consider making computers with faster processors (who cares about clock speed?!) and computers that looked better-and the girl sitting behind me totally dissed my G4 Cube. That's not cool

 

[janey]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
so whats you point? You think because you use a Mac your point of view is right?? Maybe instead of the other guy being the "stupid PC user" you are the "stupid Mac user."

Typical Apple rhetoric there. ANYONE that uses a pc is stupid and a neanderthal.

I have no ill feelings towards Mac, actually I came here looking for advise on which Mac to get for my first one. But I see SO much of this stupid "we are so much better than PC users" crap it makes me not to even want to bother.

I go to alot of pc forums and there are very few random "lets bash Apple" threads like I see on Mac boards.

Get over it ppl. You like Mac, good for you. I prefer PC, good for me. Dont go on like you are better than me because of a goddamn computer.

Flame away if you have to, it will only cement my view that most Apple users are holier-than-thou-pc users.

i'm gonna choose not to flame you.
However, i did not mention any crap about mac users being better than PC users. there are many PC users who are my classmates. I respect most of them. There are a few who believe the PC's are better than Macs myth (the PC users i mentioned), and the Macs are better than PC's myth (some of the Mac users). I respect them too. The people I mentioned however are your typical pro-war, pro-bill gates, pro-violence schoolyard bully type of people that i would show respect to...if only they weren't so damned ignorant of what goes on in this world. Most PC users don't want to bash Macs for one reason: there are no reasons to do so. And Mac users have no reason to do so as well. There are advantages and disadvantages to using both platforms and that's the reason why i use Macs more than I use Windows or Linux. I just like the ease of use and the quality of apple's products after using various platforms.
That does not make my point of view correct.

 

[springscansing]

Uber, trust me, you're gonna look back in 4 years and think... I actually DID that?!

I've done it many times myself... trust me. Just keep that in mind when you do such things.

 

[janey]

Originally posted by springscansing
Uber, trust me, you're gonna look back in 4 years and think... I actually DID that?!

I've done it many times myself... trust me. Just keep that in mind when you do such things.

come on it was the G4 CUBE.
apple's greatest and cutest and most memorable computer.
yeah you're right...i will forget or think that i was nuts...

 

[springscansing]

As long as you realize that.

Hell I look back at what I did three days ago in disgust... all part of growing up.

 

[applemacdude]

Forget those people! Why are U trying to "impress" them. If u know they're dumbassess why don't u just let em be? If u think think theyre ignorant and dont know what they are talkin about just let em go play with their LITTLE PLAYTOYS

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
I know it goes both ways, "apples sucks", "pc sucks", I've seen it from pc users too. And the majority of the people here have been very helpful in trying to point me in the right direction on my first Mac purchase.

But, as I said, there is just an inordinate amount of the "we are better attitude", way more than I've ever seen on a pc forum.

I guess I should just overlook those kinds of comments, but I'm just a little too confrontational for my own good.

Well it's because we are the vast majority and because of that it causes a sense of insecurity which drives us together to form communities which in tern amplifies our zeal for our favorite computer by mutitiudes and it all just spirals out of control from there.

I think you will see the same thing from any group of people that are not only the known underdog but the people who are part of the group know it too. We want to fight back for our Mac.

I truly believe we have the better overall system. I'm not saying we have the absolute best in any category but as an overall system it is very well balanced and this come from the amount of control Apple has in creating a certain feel and operability into the system and integrating it with the hardware. You just can't get that when you have to make your OS function on a wide array of systems with very little quality control over the whole thing. I undestand that PCs have faster this and faster that but I couldn't care for my own personal use that this or that operation finishes 10secs faster. That 10secs didn't save me anything for my personal use and face it the vast majority of users don't even need the power of a 500MHz box let alone a 3GHz box.

 

[janey]

Originally posted by applemacdude
Forget those people! Why are U trying to "impress" them. If u know they're dumbassess why don't u just let em be? If u think think theyre ignorant and dont know what they are talkin about just let em go play with their LITTLE PLAYTOYS

because they'd make great switchers.
I could just imagine their switch ads (if apple still did them )
"yeah...i actually ripped apart a Mac because i hated it so much...but that was before a bunch of mac fanatics forced me into switching...but it was cool...*shoots PC*"

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by übergeek
because they'd make great switchers.
I could just imagine their switch ads (if apple still did them )
"yeah...i actually ripped apart a Mac because i hated it so much...but that was before a bunch of mac fanatics forced me into switching...but it was cool...*shoots PC*"

You'll never switch a PC user by yelling at them and if they aren't even curious about a Mac then good luck. If someone want to know they will ask also it's something for polite conversation. Otherwise if your yelling at them or even speaking normally and telling them what a pile there machine is without have real cold hard facts that they will believe then you might as well tell them how small there dicks are and get it over with because that's what they're hearing.

 

[janey]

Originally posted by MacBandit
You'll never switch a PC user by yelling at them and if they aren't even curious about a Mac then good luck. If someone want to know they will ask also it's something for polite conversation. Otherwise if your yelling at them or even speaking normally and telling them what a pile there machine is without have real cold hard facts that they will believe then you might as well tell them how small there dicks are and get it over with because that's what they're hearing.

heh. i was kidding.
only thing i screamed at them was the quality thing because they were screaming about how "new" centrino was.

 

[applemacdude]

Originally posted by übergeek
because they'd make great switchers.
I could just imagine their switch ads (if apple still did them )
"yeah...i actually ripped apart a Mac because i hated it so much...but that was before a bunch of mac fanatics forced me into switching...but it was cool...*shoots PC*"

well why are u tryin to switch asses?

New switch commercial
" Hello, my name is xxxx. I hated macs even though i never used one for a significant amount of time. until übergeek© told me how macs were better. scremin at us until we got the ****i* idea. oh how stupid i was back then. my name is xxx and im a wannabe"

 

[voicegy]

Originally posted by VoodooDaddy
I guess I should just overlook those kinds of comments, but I'm just a little too confrontational for my own good.

I've noticed that.

We've chased each other around here and there on this forum in several threads, and you do seem a bit on the confrontational side, but, hey, that's healthy, and allows Mac users to really think out their responses. It becomes a bit of a bore to often have to feel that somehow we must justify our existance, but there is also no room for Mac users to simply say "U SUCK" and "YOU DON'T GET IT"

I appreciate your comment, VoodooDaddy.

 

[tazo]

Originally posted by übergeek
i'm gonna choose not to flame you.
However, i did not mention any crap about mac users being better than PC users. there are many PC users who are my classmates. I respect most of them. There are a few who believe the PC's are better than Macs myth (the PC users i mentioned), and the Macs are better than PC's myth (some of the Mac users). I respect them too. The people I mentioned however are your typical pro-war, pro-bill gates, pro-violence schoolyard bully type of people that i would show respect to...if only they weren't so damned ignorant of what goes on in this world. Most PC users don't want to bash Macs for one reason: there are no reasons to do so. And Mac users have no reason to do so as well. There are advantages and disadvantages to using both platforms and that's the reason why i use Macs more than I use Windows or Linux. I just like the ease of use and the quality of apple's products after using various platforms.
That does not make my point of view correct.

I am extremely offended by your comment "a typical pro-war...", which you later insinuated that all pro-war people are bullies. I am extremely offended by that. I supported the war all the way up until it was won by us. I am pro-war because I think evil madman who killl thousands of their own people is insane enough to do something to hurt many more then 1000 and for that reason I am pro-war. Pro-war is not being a bully, its having faith in your government's military presence, and in the future of a new day.

Don't forget ubergeek that it goes both ways. I could call you a stupid treehugger, or a pacifist, or something much sinister, like liberal garbage.

I am willing to back up my opinion with facts and supporting evidence, are you?

-tazo

 

[patrick0brien]

Re: pc users, myths, "computer" teachers and quality vs. quantity

Originally posted by übergeek
...most violent and amazingly stupid PC users...

-übergeek (got the umlaut this time )

Violently stupid PC users?

Does this mean their heads explode when they try to think?



Ok. I'm making light, sorry.

I used to work with a fellow by the name of Keith Powell. We used to call him Bill jr. as he was so steeped and knowledgeable (in bed?) with Microsoft and it's products, he was actually one of the Microsoft resources who contributed to the certification exams for MCSD and MCSE. He even resembled Bill Gates.

Well, in 2000, right before OS X was "public beta'ed", he was all hot and bothered about Windows XP. He knew that I was versed in Mac, and wanted to try to sell me on XP a bit.

(I'm not busting him, he's a really nice guy - just a tad inured.)

His line to me was something like "XP is going to be so great! They even closed port 156(?), so the computer will be more secure! Isn't that great?"

My response was something like:
"I'm sure that's a great improvement, but as a consultant, I need to look at it critically. Keith, you don't see something wrong with the idea that fixing a flaw is a marketable improvement? Calling something 'less bad' is not a positive sellinig point."