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PC VS MAC speed test- The mac lost!

But Grokgod, we have a bigger iPod! Rejoice! That's new hardware... right? ;)

I can see way GFX guys would jump ship to PCs (I probably would if I did GFX) but all of the post houses I'm familiar w/have Mac editing workstations (w/the exception of a local TV station, but they are running AVID DS which is more of an editing/finishing hybred than a straight up editor). But I'm more in the film/entertainment side so we just might be viewing seperate niche's in this niche market.

I think you just came up w/a new hook for OS X... "So slow you think it crashed." :D

Lethal
 
Graphics Houses

There are different reasons why some houses move to PC's. However I think you'll see that any company with a bottomline isn't fooled by the hype that get's the attention of the typical PC fan. They make decisions based on workflow because any problems that require an IT guy to come fix just blew whatever advantage you had over a slower system. Notice that benchmarked computers tend to finish within seconds of each other. Would you destabalize your Network and go through a platform migration just to pick up a few secs here and there? That's a very risky proposition.
 
Originally posted by Grokgod

I would also like to say that there is NO doubt that better hardware is merely sitting in the wings!
As APPLE drains the pocketbooks of all that dare come close.
Companys of this size always know LONG in advance the course or sales path that product will take. They have plans to DRAG this cash cow of selling incredible old tech at high premium prices ON, as long as the users ALLOW it!
Remember that ultimately WE are the ones prolonging this situation!
APPLE obviously thinks that we are unable to make rational decisions.
That we will follow whatever path they set for us, WHY~
Because the loyal APPLE user always HAS.
I believe that will SOON end.
And when it does, SUDDENLY you will see the most incredible hardware.
APPLE will say, it wasnt easy but we DID it, for you!
Its wasnt easy to use 2 year old technology?
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What would the implications be to Apple if something like this was uncovered? I don't think it's illegal. I wonder what would happen. Do you think they would go under? Again, the DDR thing weirds me out big time. This tech is already so old it's going to be gone soon. And we still don't have it. Apple knows that it is somewhat of a "club" in that it has a small but extremely loyal following. This following also generally tends to be financially well off. As any business, Apple knows who it's users are. No proper business can run without a target demographic. And no company that wanted to survive would price their product out of reach of it's target audience. To generalize, Apple's core users are Mac loyals with a fair amount of money. The recent MSNBC survey touched on this too. Perhaps Apple's business model is to simply stay behind technologically on purpose. It may be better for them financially. Think how much money they save by just doing little speed bumps and case tweaks. Everyone runs out and buys em up. Then instead of moving forward they do another little speedbump and those same exact people run out to get the latest Mac, again. They may be able to make more money doing this than actually releasing the heavy stuff because everyone would go buy it once and then we'd be at the same level as the competition and people would no longer get exited about old news technology like 200mhz speedbumps and DDR memory. If they stay just far enough behind the loyal Mac users will get exited about everything they dish out. I think it's obvious that Apple makes more money off of repeat customers than new. Do you think the stuff is actually geared towards everyone? It's geared towards people who buy a new Mac every 6 months and hang around rumor sites ; ) How many PC users do you think were at MWNY because they were so moved by the "switch" campaign? Very few would be my guess. It would make sense for Apple to wait till the bitter end to bleed the well dry but could they really keep it secret? Maybe. Macs are basically a single unit designed by a single group. There are way less parties involved than in the PC world. I think it's really possible and I'm getting really into it. Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist after all.
 
SAdly there isnt anything to uncover its all evident.

Its the business model that is used by many other corporations.

its called built in obselesence.

APPLE has HAD DDRam for a lONG time now.

It IS in the Xserve, isnt it.
This DOES mean that they have it!

So they are holding the OLD tech <DDRam isnt new, lets get that straight>
back from us, why? well its simple, yet sad.

They have a timeline with all the speedbumps and upgrades.
They have allocated certain moneys to each quarter and each TECH bump for a span of time.

WHat they say to each other is this.

OK, How much longer can we get away with selling the $5 dollar SDRAM for triple the price of RDam! How much longer will these half witted moronic MAcusers continue to pay these prices until they get NUTS.

Well, we can bump here and then there and then WHEN we think they are going to freak out we can bring out DDRam in a server.
Very few will buy it for a replacement PowerMac.

This will keep their hopes up, and they will think that DDRam is coming cause its in the Xserve.

Then we STALL AGAIN!
Sell out the giger stock, maybe stretch out with another speed bump, depending on the uproar.

If sales go down we can increase revenue by charging for items we promised would be free or were going to be free and that will cover us, if we have drawn it out TOO far.

MacUsers needs to understand that this is a REALITY not a theory.

ANd that UNTIL, the loyal begin to realize after SO many years that APPLE is not the SAVIOUR of decency in american business, that it is a business.
ANd that they see loyality as something to exploit NOT to cherish.

We will always be on the recieving end of this manipulation!

I am NOT buying a single fuhreaking item, NOTHING, NADA, noway, nohow!

TILL, this game somes to a stop and APPLE realizes that I and others are NOT stupid cows to be abused, mistreated and manipulated with half truths, lies and ommisions.

How long would it take for you to realize that your girlfriend doesnt love you anymore. How many years of lies and freakish behavior?

This is one relationship that is SOUR, and unless APPLE gets some sweet goat milk and a lot brown sugar and changes the flavor of this fiasco.

APPLE can go and screw itself. Which it is already doing.
You know sometimes you have to let a loved one that is self destructive, go out and get its A$$ kicked so that they realize what they are doing is wrong.

We made APPLE great, WE held it together in the bad times and feed it when it was SICK and poor! Now APPLE needs a LESSON, are we MEN enough to stand by the convictions that lead us to stand by APPLE all these years?

I know I am.
ARE YOU?
Well, are you, punk! :)
<little dirtyharry there!>
 
Driving @ 55

My Sharpie is faster than your Tria. I get my 'ideas' pretty damn quick too.
Paintings now available from $2/sq.ft @ hyperspeed kreatifz
Egg boiled in 2 secs......can now be eaten quicker.
 
guys, hate to tell you this, but alot of time in video editing, pcs are alot more stable than the mac. i work for a post production editing house. we use custom built pcs, they are cheaper to build and if you know how to build them, they are faster.

the problem with this thread, is that all of you are now changing what was supposed to be the benifit of risc processing and why we have been buying apple for so many years. if i was to look at the mac and see only a 1:1 ratio on speed, 1ghz g4 = 1ghz amd, then why the hell would i ever buy a mac that costs 4 times the amount and doesn't run half the speed. business people, we don't need flashy graphics or neat looking icons, we need rendering speeds and stability. osx is not there, and neither is jaguar. os9, forget it. we compared our dual athlons boards, and we went dollar for dollar, cause that's how you compare, not box for box, cause what a dual 1ghz g4 would cost me, i can rack out a system that goes so far beyond it in terms of technology it's not even funny. tyan dual board 760 mp, 1800's, at the time the price per clock was not worth it to go any higher, and we were buying quite a few machines. 1.5 gig ddr 333 ecc ram!!!! people keep talking about ddr, but in the real world, you need ecc, error correction code, it stops crashes, all computers get ram leaks and errors, this helps to fix the numbers passing through the ram, costs more, alot more... but oh god is it worth it in production.
scsi!!!! for the same price i can add in all the scsi320 i want, and please somebody tell me scsi320 raid doesn't kill ata 100 that apple has.

i was always told, whatever the mac speed is, double it and you have it's pc equivilent. if you can't say that anymore, macs are more personal and worthless in business, maybe give a imac to the receptionist to look qute when clients walk in, but nothing more than that.

most people, like me, can say well, it's an apple and i just like it better, i'm one of them, i love my powerbook, i love osx, but realistically in business and production, the mac is just worhtless when you look at cost, production time, considering that our macs crash more than our pcs, our pcs running win2k are extremely stable, in full production it can stay up for weeks without a hitch, we to try to restart all machines nightly, but sometimes renders are going. so personal, mac, business, forget it, but really, personal sells more, so maybe they should be looking that way, especially if you can't keep up, and even so, i don't think a dual 1.5 ghz g5 with ddr would change things, at least not for price/perfomance.
 
I think that the guys here that think I have issues havent noticed that they are a lot of members agreeing with me!

My so called issues are actually a part of my debate and if you want to call that an issue, so be it.

Yet if you want continue pointing it out and complaining about my posts, merely because you don't agree without any actually reasoning then I would say you guys have ISSUES.

TElling me or anyone to STOP whining or complaining, is really foolish.
This is a forum where people post their opinions and perspectives.
These are mine, stated in a manner that I express myself for the sake of entertainment and clarity.

I will stop when either my ISSUES are over, or someone has changed my mind with a compelling reason.

Merely whining about my SO-CALLED whining isnt going to do a damn thing except make you look like whiners.

Say THAT 3 times fast! :)
 
I am a PC user who really is interested in switching to a Mac. My biggest problem with the Mac is the price to performance ratio. I currently use a Dell 4100 with a 933 P-III, 512 MB of ram, an 80G HD and a GeForce-3. The original box cost me ~$900.00 a little over 18 months ago and I added the GeForce3 and 80 Gig HD after that. My problem is now, 18 months later, SJ is trying to sell me the same technology for $1400.00 more that what I paid for my PC (and w/o a monitor). We can argue all day about the differences between PPC and x86 and all that, but I still have the perception that I'm getting screwed! If we look at the total cost of a me (and I would say an average PC user) to switch, roughly, just for the basics, $2300.00 more for the same technology w/o a monitor, another $460.00 for MS Office, $600.00 for Adobe Photoshop7, $70.00 for Norton’s anti-virus). My total cost to migrate would be $ 4830.00. For that kind of money, myself and most PC users who are interested in switching to a Mac either can't afford to, or, just don't see the value. Why not an iMac? I'm a gamer and for the same price performace reasons they are not appealing either. I am starting to hate MS, but the truth is that WinXP is extremely stable (never had a problem yet - although WinMe was a disaster!). I think for apple to pull more PC users over to Mac, they are going to have to, even if it's at a more expensive price (but not double!!), sell computers that are roughly equivalent to an "average" PC in both performance and options. Apples biggest problem I think is that they have made switching so unappealing that PC users who WANT to switch still just can't do it. We can argue about quality and this an that, but like I said, my PC is very stable, pretty quick and hasn't given me a single problem yet! I'm looking forward to a PowerMac update as long as they're not trying to sell me a 1.2 G4 for $2200.00 without a monitor (maybe I would pay that for G5 after seeing some benchmarks).

Remember, I'm a PC user who WANTS to switch, basically looking for any reason to switch, but still can't with the state of Mac processors!
 
Aptly PUT! iPAT

uhh is iPAT a new APPLE, iAPP?

I think that you have stated a fact that exists for many people.

In the Pcheese world and the APPLE world.

We all want to get what we are being asked to pay for and need to feel as though its a fair purchase, without the air of manipulation.

Your concerns are VALID and fair.
And they echo the sentiment of many others, I am certain.
As do my concerns.

My greatest worry is that APPLE is not taking advantage of a situation that they themselves have worked so hard to create.

The climate created by APPLE which invites Pcheese users to SWITCH.
Should NOT coincide with the hardware situation thats making MAC users angry and think of switching, many are, if you read some of the threads.

Wether or not you agree with those people is NOT the issue.
The issue is what effect the current situation is having on possible new users and the MAC faithful.

And WHY is APPLE allowing these adverse conditions to continue?

Perhaps If APPLE came clean with their users as to the TRUE reasons for this ODD situation there would be less discontented people.

ALas it seems that subterfuge is the newest iAPP..LOL
 
Aptly PUT! iPAT

uhh is iPAT a new APPLE, iAPP?

I think that you have stated a fact that exists for many people.

In the Pcheese world and the APPLE world.

We all want to get what we are being asked to pay for and need to feel as though its a fair purchase, without the air of manipulation.

Your concerns are VALID and fair.
And they echo the sentiment of many others, I am certain.
As do my concerns.

My greatest worry is that APPLE is not taking advantage of a situation that they themselves have worked so hard to create.

The climate created by APPLE which invites Pcheese users to SWITCH.
Should NOT coincide with the hardware situation thats making MAC users angry and think of switching, many are, if you read some of the threads.

Wether or not you agree with those people is NOT the issue.
The issue is what effect the current situation is having on possible new users and the MAC faithful.

And WHY is APPLE allowing these adverse conditions to continue?

Perhaps If APPLE came clean with their users as to the TRUE reasons for this ODD situation there would be less discontented people.

ALas it seems that subterfuge is the newest iAPP..LOL
 
Current Comparison are pointless

Fact

We know that Apple has new machines right around the corner. comparing todays machines to PC's is of course not going to bode well for Apple

Xserve shows that even an "incomplete" hack using DDR memory and Subsystem tweaks results in an appreciable gain in speed.

Xserve Benchmarks

XP is stable and that indeed will be hard for Apple to overcome but it is still a breeding ground of Virus and Trojans. This will not change. Also Microsofts vision of Palladium and DRM will affect your user experience drastically. Cheaper or not once that hits I'm out of the PC building arena. OSX currently offers too much potential with Quartz Extreme, and a cohesive and well thought out gameplan that is coming. I don't see Apple jumping into bed with the Entertainment Industry just yet and that keeps me happy.

Last but not least the Premium that you pay for Apple will come back to you upon resale. Much to my chagrin I'm still shocked that first gen G4 PowerMacs still fetch $400 and above on ebay. Had this been a PC it would be worth less than $100
 
inotBuy- say BuyBye

Reading in the Forum that there is 'widespread' dissatisfaction with Apples' current offerings, I wonder who else (non-'POWER' users) out there feels a desperate need to upgrade what they have already bought?
Does any normal user regularly need anything more than a $600 imac?
You remember them? they are available to those of us who should'nt really be using computers!!
I hardly feel the urge to replace anything that I have far less 'convert' to PC usage.
This leads me to wonder roughly how many Spielbergs are out there?

How is a rumoured catchup Mega G5+++ machine going to sell to the professionals, never mind the masses?- when & if it appears, it will (going on past experience) be very, perhaps prohibitively expensive & it has been suggested that it will again lag well behind the competition.
If I was earning a living in AV & I was losing work due to My Macs not being up to it; with 'far superior' custom built PCs readily available for a cheap price, I think I would be using them, not shouting @ thunder.
 
Originally posted by Grokgod
In answer to JELLO's posting.. "Who's to say they're not" doing something?

I would think that MWNY would be obvious evidence that they are NOT doing anything. Remember that its been a LONG time, that we have been waiting for PowerMacs with the right kind of power!
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Steve Jobs said Apple was not going to use the show to introduce new hardware anymore.

I think the Xserve shows the true direction Apple is heading in regarding hardware.

New G4s should be out in August when Jaguar ships.
 
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